[ancient_hebrew] Re: Tehillim 6:8 and Mattithyahu 7:23

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--- In ancient_hebrew@yahoogroups.com, Eileen Herbert / Eliora Bat-Tziyon 
<punman...@...> wrote:
>
> Shalom momlovesgod,
> 
> no offense intended by me.
> 
> I know "Christians" who don't accept "Jesus" as "God"
> who reject Torah, and the Tanakh as irrelevant
> some who hate and reject the the "whole Christian Bible"
> 
> Timothy's question was about Hebrew, applied in context of Torah lifestyle, 
> in a
> Jewish community.
> Matthew was rooted in Hebrew, and quoting from haKetuvim.
> 
> 
> The "Christian writings" were written by Hebrews (Sha'ul/Paul was 
> a Benjamite,
> Matthew a Levite, Levi'im, NOT all from the House of Judah).  Written 
> primarily
> to Jews and Jewish communtities that included Non Jews wanting to know how to 
> live written Torah.
> 
> 
> Can Y'hoshua's teachings and example of Torah life, and the others in "The
> Christian writings"  be studied / discussed as upholding Torah in this 
> group? without any discussion as to whether or not Y'hoshua is haMashiach/ 
> "God"?
> 
>  
> Eileen Herbert  Eliora Bat-Tziyon
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "momloves...@..." <cyberfo...@...>
> To: ancient_hebrew@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 9:24:34 AM
> Subject: [ancient_hebrew] Re: Tehillim 6:8 and Mattithyahu 7:23
> 
>  
> 
> I agree with Larry. Irregardless of any Hebrew in the Christian writings, that
> is not an appropriate topic for this group. Not all members believe Yeshua of
> Nazareth to be the Messiah(as I do not) and it is highly offensive to us to 
> try
> to link the two. Yeshua was clearly an observant Jew and most likely a 
> follower
> of the school of Hillel who came before him. The Christian writings with the
> possible exception of early copies of Matthew were written in Koine Greek.
> --- In ancient_hebrew@yahoogroups.com, Eileen Herbert / Eliora Bat-Tziyon
> <punmaniac@> wrote:
> >
> > Shalom Larry,
> >
> > Regarding Hebrew in the New Testament,
> > you may find Dr Robert L. Lindsey's work interesting:
> > http://www.mayimhayim.org/Hebrew%20Perspectives/JesusRabbiAndLord.htm
> >
> > the "New Testament" is full of quotes and references from the Torah and 
> > the
> > Tanakh.
> >
> > Most of the gospels are fulfillment of prophecies from the Tanakh. And 
> > living
> > examples of Torah lifestyle.
> > Most of the "New Testament" (The letters) is a commentary on the 
> > Torah, b and
> 
> > for believers in the New covenant life.
> >
> >
> > It's all connected from Bereshit to Revelations. One story.
> >
> > Eileen Herbert  Eliora Bat-Tziyon
> > קָ×"וש×� קָ×"וש×� 
> > קָ×"וש×� ×™×"ו×" צְ×`Ö¸×�ות 
> > מְ×Å"�
> >×›Ö¸×Å"Ö¾×"ָ�רֶץ ×›Ö¼Ö°×`ו×"ו
> >                                                     
> >  �ֲנִי ×Å"Ö°×"ו×"Ö´×™ 
> >וְ×"ו×"Ö´×™ ×Å"Ö´×™
> >
> >                               
> >  ×�×Å"×™×�ור×"
> >×`ת-ציון  ק×"ֶש×�×" ×Å"×™×"ו×"
> > Isaiah 6:3,  The Ultimate Song 6:3,  Exodus 28:36 (1 Peter 
> > 2:9)  
> > "They preached with joyful urgency that life can be radically different... "
> > Mark 6:12 MSG 
> > http://www.cafemom.com/home/EileenMomGranny
> > http://www.myspace.com/eileen_mom_granny         
> > http://www.livinginblackandwhite.com/profile/ElioraBatTziyon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Shomron <shomron@>
> > To: ancient_hebrew@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:25:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ancient_hebrew] Tehillim 6:8 and Mattithyahu 7:23
> >
> >  
> > Please do not send me any more New Testament crap, it was not written in 
> > Hebrew
> >
> > and has nothing to do with this group
> > Larry Rynearson
> >
> > --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Timothy N. <timothyn03@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >From: Timothy N. <timothyn03@>
> > >Subject: [ancient_hebrew] Tehillim 6:8 and Mattithyahu 7:23
> > >To: ancient_hebrew@yahoogroups.com
> > >Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:43 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >Could anyone be so kind to advise the original Hebrew scroll about Tehillim
> > 6:8?
> > >
> > >The reason to ask this is this verse is quoted by our Master 
> > >×™×"ושעat
> >Mattithyahu
> >
> > >7:23 and many versions translated as "wicked" and those versions have only
> > >printed as "wicked" not "lawless".
> > >
> > >
> > >It should be the "lawless"?
> > >
> > >Tehillim 6:8
> > >8Depart from me, all you workers of wickedness;
> > >
> > >Mattithyahu 7:23 (The Scriptures)
> > >23â€Å"And  then  I  shall  declare  to  them, 
> > > ‘I never knew you,
> >depart from Me,
> >
> > >you who work lawlessness!’
> > > 
> > >Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>