My responsibility as a forum moderator is follow the forum purpose and to EDIT statements that mislead such as the one here. Now that you have corected yourself my responsibilities are met.
In the future please take note of this forum's purpose: The purpose of this forum is to discuss the origins, evolution and definitions of the Ancient Hebrew alphabet and language as well as the culture of the Ancient Hebrews which is closely tied to their language. Posts shall be Related to the topics mentioned above and free from personal attacks and offensive language or content. Thank you. Rich AHRC __________________________________________________________________ Rich, When you change / edit what members have written in the body of a message to this group, as you did with mine below, could you please mark the parts you changed, with a note that it has been edited by you, so we know who has written which parts of the message? Thank you for posting my original message intact first. RE: When i I was refering to the House of Judah, that includes the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and half of Levi. Which has existed and continues to exists since after the reign of David haMelekh, King David, when the formerly united Nation of Israel split into the two Houses: House of Israel and House of Judah. The House of Israel rebelled and took the rest of the tribes; and has also been known in the Tanakh as "Ephraim" and also known as "the Lost 10 Tribes". If this was unknown to anyone on this group, please accept my apologies. Is this beyond the scope of this group's allowed discussion? At what point was Ancient Hebrew language and culture no longer part of the history of Israel? In Ester, the Jews (House of Judah) still had their own language and script, distinct from all the other cultures and languages of the Persian empire. (Most of the known world). This was after the Babylonian exile, about 470 BCE. see Ester 8:9 Are these discussions to be limited to the written Torah? the whole Tanakh? Until Larry and momlovesgod had shared their personal beliefs, I was not aware of any members' personal beliefs within this group. nor that some personal beliefs are offensive to other members of this group. I thank you both of sharing. Please accept that I do not intend to attack nor offend any person, belief or culture. Nor to "force" any belief. I'm interesrted in absolute truth, as revealed by YHUH in the Torah, Tanakh. For personal reasons: how Torah applies to my life, the lives of my family, how I live and relate to YHUH and to people in this world and lifetime. This is how my personal beliefs are formed and rooted in Torah. Eileen Herbert Eliora Bat-Tziyon ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 11:30:22 AM Subject: [ancient_hebrew] Re: Tehillim 6:8 and Mattithyahu 7:23 The purpose of this forum is to discuss the origins, evolution and definitions of the Ancient Hebrew alphabet and language as well as the culture of the Ancient Hebrews which is closely tied to their language. Posts shall be Related to the topics mentioned above and free from personal attacks and offensive language or content. Thank you. RIch AHRC __________________________________________________________ --- In [email protected], Eileen Herbert / Eliora Bat-Tziyon <punman...@...> wrote: > > Shalom momlovesgod, > > no offense intended by me. > > I know "Christians" who don't accept "Jesus" as "God" > who reject Torah, and the Tanakh as irrelevant > some who hate and reject the the "whole Christian Bible" > > Timothy's question was about Hebrew, applied in context of Torah lifestyle, in >a > Jewish community. > Matthew was rooted in Hebrew, and quoting from haKetuvim. > > > The "Christian writings" were written by Hebrews (Sha'ul/Paul was a Benjamite, > Matthew a Levite, Levi'im, NOT all from the House of Judah). Written >primarily > to Jews and Jewish communtities that included Non Jews wanting to know how to >live written Torah. > > > Can Y'hoshua's teachings and example of Torah life, and the others in "The > Christian writings"  be studied / discussed as upholding Torah in this > group? >without any discussion as to whether or not Y'hoshua is haMashiach/ "God"? > >  > Eileen Herbert Eliora Bat-Tziyon > > > > ________________________________ > From: "momloves...@..." <cyberfo...@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 9:24:34 AM > Subject: [ancient_hebrew] Re: Tehillim 6:8 and Mattithyahu 7:23 > >  > > I agree with Larry. Irregardless of any Hebrew in the Christian writings, that > is not an appropriate topic for this group. Not all members believe Yeshua of > Nazareth to be the Messiah(as I do not) and it is highly offensive to us to try > to link the two. Yeshua was clearly an observant Jew and most likely a follower > of the school of Hillel who came before him. The Christian writings with the > possible exception of early copies of Matthew were written in Koine Greek. > --- In [email protected], Eileen Herbert / Eliora Bat-Tziyon > <punmaniac@> wrote: > > > > Shalom Larry, > > > > Regarding Hebrew in the New Testament, > > you may find Dr Robert L. Lindsey's work interesting: > > http://www.mayimhayim.org/Hebrew%20Perspectives/JesusRabbiAndLord.htm > > > > the "New Testament" is full of quotes and references from the Torah and >the > > Tanakh. > > > > Most of the gospels are fulfillment of prophecies from the Tanakh. And living > > examples of Torah lifestyle. > > Most of the "New Testament" (The letters) is a commentary on the Torah, b >and > > > for believers in the New covenant life. > > > > > > It's all connected from Bereshit to Revelations. One story. > > > > Eileen Herbert Eliora Bat-Tziyon > > קָ×"וש� קָ×"וש� > > קָ×"וש� >×™×"ו×" צְ×`ָ�ות מְ×Å"� > >×›Ö¸×Å"Ö¾×"ָ�רֶץ ×›Ö¼Ö°×`ו×"ו >>                                                     > > > ×�Ö²× Ö´×™ ×Å"Ö°×"ו×"Ö´×™ >וְ×"ו×"Ö´×™ ×Å"Ö´×™ > > > > >                              > ×�×Å"×™×�ור×" > >×`ת-ציון ק×"ֶש×�×" ×Å"×™×"ו×" > > Isaiah 6:3, The Ultimate Song 6:3, Exodus 28:36 (1 Peter 2:9)  > > "They preached with joyful urgency that life can be radically different... " > > Mark 6:12 MSG > > http://www.cafemom.com/home/EileenMomGranny > > http://www.myspace.com/eileen_mom_granny         > > http://www.livinginblackandwhite.com/profile/ElioraBatTziyon > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Shomron <shomron@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:25:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [ancient_hebrew] Tehillim 6:8 and Mattithyahu 7:23 > > > >  > > Please do not send me any more New Testament crap, it was not written in >Hebrew > > > > and has nothing to do with this group > > Larry Rynearson > > > > --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Timothy N. <timothyn03@> wrote: > > > > > > >From: Timothy N. <timothyn03@> > > >Subject: [ancient_hebrew] Tehillim 6:8 and Mattithyahu 7:23 > > >To: [email protected] > > >Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Could anyone be so kind to advise the original Hebrew scroll about Tehillim > > 6:8? > > > > > >The reason to ask this is this verse is quoted by our Master >×™×"ושעat > >Mattithyahu > > > > >7:23 and many versions translated as "wicked" and those versions have only > > >printed as "wicked" not "lawless". > > > > > > > > >It should be the "lawless"? > > > > > >Tehillim 6:8 > > >8Depart from me, all you workers of wickedness; > > > > > >Mattithyahu 7:23 (The Scriptures) > > >23â€Å"And  then  I  shall  declare  to  them, > ‘I never knew you, > >depart from Me, > > > > >you who work lawlessness!’ > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
