Once again, just because you can sue that doesn't mean you will win.
On May 1, 3:17 am, Incognito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They can if there is fraud. i.e. If they choose a winner with a
> different method other than the one specified in the terms of
> conditions or if they already have the winners before hand. Of course,
> I don't believe that google would do anything evil, I'm just saying
> that if there is a contest, and there is fraud, you can sue.
>
> Let me give yuou an example.
>
> Google says that they will choose the winners based on four criteria
> and only on those four criteria. So I spend 1000 hours and code my
> application to those four criteria. Then after the contest I find out
> that they chose the winners not based solely on those four criteria
> but rather on whether my submission came from a team or an individual.
> I also find out that my application could have won, but because I
> submitted as a team or a company and because there were already too
> many companies winning then they decided to give it to an individual.
>
> Now, I've just wasted 1000 hours on a competition that did not follow
> its own terms and conditions when selecting the winner. In fact, I've
> been misleaded. This my friend, is grounds for a law suit. Google can
> say that they reserve the right to change the rules or not follow them
> if they want to, bla,bla,blah, but the fact is that if I can
> reasonably show that google acted in bad faith then it is likely that
> a judge may see it my way and award me punitive damages.
>
> Once again, I don't believe that google is acting in bad faith nor
> that they will. I really do believe their do no evil motto.
>
> On May 1, 2:52 am, "Muthu Ramadoss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't think anyone can sue Google if they fail to win. The judges have the
> > final say.
>
> > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Kevin Galligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Oh, I'm with you there. Its not like they're going to say, "Oh, and
> > > Steve's app is in because, well, we just felt like Steve needed a
> > > break". However, in a situation where Steve and BigCorp had the same
> > > idea, it would be interesting to see how things went down.
>
> > > Ehh, you're right. I bet BigCorp would win. BigCorp would sue,
> > > unless Steve's app was clearly better. Steve probably isn't going to
> > > sue ;)
>
> > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Incognito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I think the goal of ADC is to showcase amazing apps on the Android
> > > > > platforms. I would estimate that most of the 50 winners will be
> > > > > corporate and team entries even though I estimate most of the 1700+
> > > > > entries are individual entries. Still, I hope there will be a few
> > > > > individual entries winners (I am one).
>
> > > > Yes, I think google can get sued if they choose some applications
> > > > based on whether it is an individual or not. It would constitute fraud
> > > > on my book since they never made that clear in the terms and
> > > > conditions. Applications will be chosen based on the four criterias
> > > > mentioned and that is it. Any of you hoping that google will cut you
> > > > some slack because you are an individual you are dreaming.
>
> > > > On Apr 30, 8:30 pm, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > I think the goal of ADC is to showcase amazing apps on the Android
> > > > > platforms. I would estimate that most of the 50 winners will be
> > > > > corporate and team entries even though I estimate most of the 1700+
> > > > > entries are individual entries. Still, I hope there will be a few
> > > > > individual entries winners (I am one).
>
> > > > > On Apr 30, 4:22 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The terms rightly shift the burden to contestants of any suits that
> > > > > > happen because someone somewhere thought something somewhat like
> > > what
> > > > > > you thought and captured in code. The contestants have to cover
> > > this:
>
> > > > > > "patent or other intellectual property right of any person"
>
> > > > > > I don't know what patents exist on handset accelerometer driven
> > > games,
> > > > > > but if that is what was submitted, the submitter shoulders the
> > > legal
> > > > > > stuff.
>
> > > > > > I don't know what patents exist on GPS location based services/ map
> > > > > > views, but I bet there are some and the contestant must shoulder
> > > the
> > > > > > burden if someone sees the application and thinks it looks like
> > > > > > theirs. 10 Best was doing something with AT&T a few years ago and
> > > AT&T
> > > > > > can be a bit territorial.
>
> > > > > > You get the idea.
>
> > > > > > Our entry is about traffic avoidance. The basic idea harkens back
> > > to
> > > > > > Paul Revere's ride where traffic density was relayed by lanterns
> > > with
> > > > > > the words "one if by land and two if by sea." And some other 100
> > > year
> > > > > > old ideas. The Android architecture makes some really simple, well
> > > > > > worn, ideas really powerful. It will coexist with exiting services
> > > > > > and users will get to shop existing traffic services based on how
> > > good
> > > > > > the services work for them.
>
> > > > > > Anyway we kept our application so simple that it is obvious, to
> > > give
> > > > > > it the best shot of reaching the market… And we protected our team
> > > > > > members.
>
> > > > > > I hope this clarifies.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 30, 4:25 pm, "Kevin Galligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Why? I get corporate law, but what's the concern?
>
> > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Ours was a team, but we submitted as a company so that the
> > > check will
> > > > > > > > be made out to something that can be limited liability. If
> > > you read
> > > > > > > > the terms for phase 2 (maybe stage 2), limited liability is a
> > > the only
> > > > > > > > way I could see to responsibly participate.
>
> > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 3:24 pm, "Kevin Galligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I assumed it was more of a legal deal. Maybe not, though.
> > > I imagine
> > > > > > > > > if all the 50 were going to be business apps, they'd
> > > probably swap out
> > > > > > > > > a couple of the group and individual ones just to keep the
> > > masses
> > > > > > > > > happy.
>
> > > > > > > > > Maybe they would be judged differently, though. I think
> > > individual or
> > > > > > > > > team might get a little slack for interface polish and
> > > documentation.
> > > > > > > > > I don't think its going to do much for idea assessment,
> > > though. They
> > > > > > > > > want awesome apps. Considering that, I bet everybody would
> > > get about
> > > > > > > > > the same assessment.
>
> > > > > > > > > Where this might really come into play is the unavoidable
> > > situation:
> > > > > > > > > two (or more) of the same submissions. If the ideas are the
> > > same and
> > > > > > > > > the quality is comparable, I bet the
> > > business/team/individual
> > > > > > > > > designation would come into play. The question is, which
> > > way would it
> > > > > > > > > go? Business is most likely to complete the app (maybe).
> > > Individual
> > > > > > > > > and team make for better press. Cinderella story sort of
> > > thing. I'd
> > > > > > > > > argue this whole thing is as much about the apps as it is
> > > about the
> > > > > > > > > press, but I could be wrong ;)
>
> > > > > > > > > Also individual.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM, nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > So they asked us in the submission process whether we
> > > were an
> > > > > > > > > > individual, a team, or a business. What impact do you
> > > think that will
> > > > > > > > > > have on judging? If any? I can't remember them saying
> > > in the contest
> > > > > > > > > > rules that applications would be judged differently based
> > > on the type
> > > > > > > > > > of submission, but I can imagine that that information
> > > would subtly
> > > > > > > > > > change how someone would look at an application. And in
> > > a way it
> > > > > > > > > > would make it more fair given that individuals are going
> > > to have
> > > > > > > > > > manpower differences (by definition) compared to teams or
> > > business.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Full disclosure: I say this as someone who submitted as
> > > an
> > > > > > > > > > individual :-)
>
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