I _think_ the market has the same issue, I'll try to confirm it tonight, but from what I've heard from users they're experiencing "download errors" if they don't have a large amount of space free. Again, I'll try to get some more concrete info later tonight :)
Thanks for taking a look at this stuff with me :) - Dan On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Dianne Hackborn <[email protected]>wrote: > Okay it just sounds like the browser's (or download manager's) checking on > free space may be a little overly aggressive (though perhaps not too much, > once you start getting to 15% free or so performance goes down fast). > > On the one hand, I don't see what can be done for ADC. On the other hand, > people won't be installing it from the browser, so I'm not sure how big a > deal it is? Or does Market have the same limit? > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hey Dianne (or anyone else reading), >> >> I've got a more concrete case nailed down here. Might help us to figure >> this issue out :) >> >> There's still a tiny bit of ambiguity which looks to be stemming from >> Windows vs Linux sdk's (as far as I can tell), but this process should >> illustrate the problem. >> >> All of these are from my Linux sdk (1.5-r2) >> Create a fresh emulator (default hardware): >> # android create avd -t 2 -n spacetest >> Run it with a fresh sdcard: >> # emulator -avd spacetest -sdcard sdcard & >> Check free-space on emulator (this is where the ambiguity comes in), in >> Settings--> SD and Phone Storage --> Internal Phone Available Space >> My emulator shows 46mb, using the same commands, a co-worker's shows 47mb >> on Windows. Regardless... >> /data: 65536K total, 17584K used, 47952K available (block size 4096) >> >> Download a copy of a bloated APK we made to your local computer ( >> http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/Cestos-large.apk) >> # wget http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/Cestos-large.apk >> Install the APK via adb: >> # adb install ~/Desktop/Cestos-large.apk >> >> Verify that you've got around 23mb free (same as above) this shows 23mb >> free on mine, 24mb free on co-worker's. >> /data: 65536K total, 41420K used, 24116K available (block size 4096) >> >> Open the browser (note the available space will decrease _slightly_ with >> the first page load (I imagine some caching/settings/etc) >> /data: 65536K total, 42848K used, 22688K available (block size 4096) >> >> Browse to http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/ProjectInf.apk (our APK >> we're having issues installing), which should be 5.67mb. >> Wait for the download to finish in the browser. Click on the downloaded >> APK >> >> I am presented with a alert saying "ProjectInf could not be viewed. Free >> up some space on your phone and try again", with two options (Manage >> Applications, and Cancel). A partition snapshot while that screen is active >> shows: >> /data: 65536K total, 42756K used, 22780K available (block size 4096) >> >> Now, on my co-workers clean emulator, it installs perfectly fine, however, >> if he adds any about 1mb to the storage (any 1mb apk will do), he runs into >> the same issue, which leads me to believe the "sweet spot" is very close to >> this 4x size. >> >> The obvious issue here is that 22.78mb should be plenty large enough to >> install a 5.67mb APK. As you said, double is expected, slightly over double >> would even be fine, but we're currently looking at very close to 4x the >> space, which is an issue :) >> >> >> As an extra kick, the snapshots you posted before are correct as well, >> because this same APK (ProjectInf.apk) works fine when installed via ADB: >> adb install ~/Desktop/ProjectInf.apk >> 2297 KB/s (5949253 bytes in 2.528s) >> pkg: /data/local/tmp/ProjectInf.apk >> Success >> >> >> If you need any more information, let me know what I can provide, I'd be >> more than happy to help try to sort this one out :) >> We're just having issues with it, and are a bit worried about ADC, as it >> looks like judges might need to have more than half of their phone's data >> partition empty to be able to install our app :) >> >> - Dan >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I'll see what I can do here to reproduce the issue with more concrete >>> documentation, everything we've got so far is based on user input and what >>> they've told us they've needed to free to get it to install properly. :) >>> >>> Thanks for the response :) >>> >>> - Dan >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Dianne Hackborn <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> To be honest, I am surprised it requires that much. For something that >>>> isn't forward locked, we should need at most double the space (for the >>>> original copy of the apk, and the copy placed into /data/apps by the system >>>> as it is being installed before the original is deleted). Using more than >>>> 3x (actually almost 4x, but it being something between 3x and 4x is weird >>>> in >>>> itself) is not expected. >>>> >>>> Btw, I just tried installing a 2068K app with "adb install" and here is >>>> a series of snapshots of the available space in /data: >>>> >>>> /data: 330496K total, 33600K used, 296896K available (block size 4096) >>>> /data: 330496K total, 36000K used, 294496K available (block size 4096) >>>> /data: 330496K total, 37716K used, 292780K available (block size 4096) >>>> /data: 330496K total, 37744K used, 292752K available (block size 4096) >>>> /data: 330496K total, 38056K used, 292440K available (block size 4096) >>>> /data: 330496K total, 38208K used, 292288K available (block size 4096) >>>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>>> >>>> That seems to match only requiring 2 copies of the .apk. (And to be >>>> honest, I think when you install over market you only need one copy of the >>>> .apk, because the actual download happens into /cache so doesn't use space >>>> in the data partition.) >>>> >>>> So... sorry, I honestly don't know what is happening in your case. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> We're also a bit worried about how this would/will be handled in the >>>>> ADC installer, as I'm sure 22mb is easily above what many community judges >>>>> will have available... >>>>> >>>>> - Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh sorry. >>>>>> >>>>>> I must not have specified, this is with just an APK, completely >>>>>> outside of the market. We've heard complaints of users having issues >>>>>> through the market, but with a full uninstall of the application, and an >>>>>> install from a downloaded APK (which I imagine should be a fresh >>>>>> install), >>>>>> it requires 22mb free during the install process. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Dan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Dianne Hackborn >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you select the option when putting your app on market it to copy >>>>>>> protect it (which uses forward locking on the device). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the responses, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dianne, what do you mean by forward-locked? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Dan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Dianne Hackborn < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If your app is forward locked, it can take significantly more >>>>>>>>> space, even after the install is done (unfortunately all of the >>>>>>>>> resources >>>>>>>>> currently have to be installed twice). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Dan Sherman >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The package installer looks to take up a good amount of space when >>>>>>>>>> installing applications. We've published a very large game >>>>>>>>>> (ProjectINF - >>>>>>>>>> 6mb). And it looks to be taking up a good amount of space during the >>>>>>>>>> install process, to the point that we have a lot of users emailing >>>>>>>>>> us with >>>>>>>>>> complaints/requests to "fix it". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From what we've seen, it looks to take about 22mb of free space to >>>>>>>>>> install a 6mb apk. While I can imagine taking double or so for >>>>>>>>>> unpacking >>>>>>>>>> and temp locations, almost 4x the size seems a bit high. After an >>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>> with 22mb free, the device has 16mb free (which makes perfect sense). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Users also seem to be getting errors on the market when trying to >>>>>>>>>> install with less than that amount of space (with no real clear error >>>>>>>>>> message, just "Install Failed". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I doubt theres anything we can do on our side (besides shrinking >>>>>>>>>> our app all around), but figured I'd ask :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Dan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dianne Hackborn >>>>>>>>> Android framework engineer >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have >>>>>>>>> time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. >>>>>>>>> All >>>>>>>>> such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others >>>>>>>>> can see >>>>>>>>> and answer them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dianne Hackborn >>>>>>> Android framework engineer >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time >>>>>>> to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All >>>>>>> such >>>>>>> questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> answer them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dianne Hackborn >>>> Android framework engineer >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to >>>> provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such >>>> questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and >>>> answer them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Dianne Hackborn > Android framework engineer > [email protected] > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. 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