i found this link 
<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11974700/nexus-7-not-visible-over-usb-via-adb-devices-from-windows-7-x64>
 
and now i have a few real devices tha i can debug on.

it seems like you have to fool around with each one :(

thanks

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 6:17:33 AM UTC-7, Gus wrote:
>
> Has it worked before? Looks like a driver issue. Try reinstalling the 
> driver. 
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Ray Tayek <[email protected] <javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> i added a galaxy tab s. and put both into developer mode 
>> <http://davidrs.com/wp/fix-android-device-not-showing-up-on-windows-8/>.  
>>
>>
>> adb list now see the galaxy, but not the nexus.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 12:50:35 AM UTC-7, Ray Tayek wrote:
>>>
>>> i have a nexus 7 (2012).
>>>
>>>  device manager in win 8.1 recognizes it as am android device and says 
>>> it's an adb device.
>>>
>>> it uses the ClockworkMod driver 7.0.0.1.
>>>
>>> adb devices does not find anything.
>>>
>>> android device monitor does not find anything.
>>>
>>> how do i get to use it?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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