Okay it just sounds like the browser's (or download manager's) checking on free space may be a little overly aggressive (though perhaps not too much, once you start getting to 15% free or so performance goes down fast).
On the one hand, I don't see what can be done for ADC. On the other hand, people won't be installing it from the browser, so I'm not sure how big a deal it is? Or does Market have the same limit? On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Dan Sherman <impact...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Dianne (or anyone else reading), > > I've got a more concrete case nailed down here. Might help us to figure > this issue out :) > > There's still a tiny bit of ambiguity which looks to be stemming from > Windows vs Linux sdk's (as far as I can tell), but this process should > illustrate the problem. > > All of these are from my Linux sdk (1.5-r2) > Create a fresh emulator (default hardware): > # android create avd -t 2 -n spacetest > Run it with a fresh sdcard: > # emulator -avd spacetest -sdcard sdcard & > Check free-space on emulator (this is where the ambiguity comes in), in > Settings--> SD and Phone Storage --> Internal Phone Available Space > My emulator shows 46mb, using the same commands, a co-worker's shows 47mb > on Windows. Regardless... > /data: 65536K total, 17584K used, 47952K available (block size 4096) > > Download a copy of a bloated APK we made to your local computer ( > http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/Cestos-large.apk) > # wget http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/Cestos-large.apk > Install the APK via adb: > # adb install ~/Desktop/Cestos-large.apk > > Verify that you've got around 23mb free (same as above) this shows 23mb > free on mine, 24mb free on co-worker's. > /data: 65536K total, 41420K used, 24116K available (block size 4096) > > Open the browser (note the available space will decrease _slightly_ with > the first page load (I imagine some caching/settings/etc) > /data: 65536K total, 42848K used, 22688K available (block size 4096) > > Browse to http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/ProjectInf.apk (our APK we're > having issues installing), which should be 5.67mb. > Wait for the download to finish in the browser. Click on the downloaded APK > > I am presented with a alert saying "ProjectInf could not be viewed. Free up > some space on your phone and try again", with two options (Manage > Applications, and Cancel). A partition snapshot while that screen is active > shows: > /data: 65536K total, 42756K used, 22780K available (block size 4096) > > Now, on my co-workers clean emulator, it installs perfectly fine, however, > if he adds any about 1mb to the storage (any 1mb apk will do), he runs into > the same issue, which leads me to believe the "sweet spot" is very close to > this 4x size. > > The obvious issue here is that 22.78mb should be plenty large enough to > install a 5.67mb APK. As you said, double is expected, slightly over double > would even be fine, but we're currently looking at very close to 4x the > space, which is an issue :) > > > As an extra kick, the snapshots you posted before are correct as well, > because this same APK (ProjectInf.apk) works fine when installed via ADB: > adb install ~/Desktop/ProjectInf.apk > 2297 KB/s (5949253 bytes in 2.528s) > pkg: /data/local/tmp/ProjectInf.apk > Success > > > If you need any more information, let me know what I can provide, I'd be > more than happy to help try to sort this one out :) > We're just having issues with it, and are a bit worried about ADC, as it > looks like judges might need to have more than half of their phone's data > partition empty to be able to install our app :) > > - Dan > > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Dan Sherman <impact...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'll see what I can do here to reproduce the issue with more concrete >> documentation, everything we've got so far is based on user input and what >> they've told us they've needed to free to get it to install properly. :) >> >> Thanks for the response :) >> >> - Dan >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com>wrote: >> >>> To be honest, I am surprised it requires that much. For something that >>> isn't forward locked, we should need at most double the space (for the >>> original copy of the apk, and the copy placed into /data/apps by the system >>> as it is being installed before the original is deleted). Using more than >>> 3x (actually almost 4x, but it being something between 3x and 4x is weird in >>> itself) is not expected. >>> >>> Btw, I just tried installing a 2068K app with "adb install" and here is a >>> series of snapshots of the available space in /data: >>> >>> /data: 330496K total, 33600K used, 296896K available (block size 4096) >>> /data: 330496K total, 36000K used, 294496K available (block size 4096) >>> /data: 330496K total, 37716K used, 292780K available (block size 4096) >>> /data: 330496K total, 37744K used, 292752K available (block size 4096) >>> /data: 330496K total, 38056K used, 292440K available (block size 4096) >>> /data: 330496K total, 38208K used, 292288K available (block size 4096) >>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>> >>> That seems to match only requiring 2 copies of the .apk. (And to be >>> honest, I think when you install over market you only need one copy of the >>> .apk, because the actual download happens into /cache so doesn't use space >>> in the data partition.) >>> >>> So... sorry, I honestly don't know what is happening in your case. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Dan Sherman <impact...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> We're also a bit worried about how this would/will be handled in the ADC >>>> installer, as I'm sure 22mb is easily above what many community judges will >>>> have available... >>>> >>>> - Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Dan Sherman <impact...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh sorry. >>>>> >>>>> I must not have specified, this is with just an APK, completely outside >>>>> of the market. We've heard complaints of users having issues through the >>>>> market, but with a full uninstall of the application, and an install from >>>>> a >>>>> downloaded APK (which I imagine should be a fresh install), it requires >>>>> 22mb >>>>> free during the install process. >>>>> >>>>> - Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Dianne Hackborn >>>>> <hack...@android.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you select the option when putting your app on market it to copy >>>>>> protect it (which uses forward locking on the device). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Dan Sherman <impact...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the responses, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dianne, what do you mean by forward-locked? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Dan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If your app is forward locked, it can take significantly more space, >>>>>>>> even after the install is done (unfortunately all of the resources >>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>> have to be installed twice). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Dan Sherman <impact...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The package installer looks to take up a good amount of space when >>>>>>>>> installing applications. We've published a very large game >>>>>>>>> (ProjectINF - >>>>>>>>> 6mb). And it looks to be taking up a good amount of space during the >>>>>>>>> install process, to the point that we have a lot of users emailing us >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> complaints/requests to "fix it". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From what we've seen, it looks to take about 22mb of free space to >>>>>>>>> install a 6mb apk. While I can imagine taking double or so for >>>>>>>>> unpacking >>>>>>>>> and temp locations, almost 4x the size seems a bit high. After an >>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>> with 22mb free, the device has 16mb free (which makes perfect sense). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Users also seem to be getting errors on the market when trying to >>>>>>>>> install with less than that amount of space (with no real clear error >>>>>>>>> message, just "Install Failed". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I doubt theres anything we can do on our side (besides shrinking >>>>>>>>> our app all around), but figured I'd ask :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Dan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dianne Hackborn >>>>>>>> Android framework engineer >>>>>>>> hack...@android.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have >>>>>>>> time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. >>>>>>>> All >>>>>>>> such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others >>>>>>>> can see >>>>>>>> and answer them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dianne Hackborn >>>>>> Android framework engineer >>>>>> hack...@android.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time >>>>>> to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. 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