You could submit a bug, but I don't know when this would be worked on. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dianne, > > Sorry to revive the thread (its been a while), but noticed this got posted > in a different thread: > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/d92a41988f9d3428 > > packageinstaller/PackageInstallerActiviity.java (line 293): > > //compute the size of the application. just an estimate > long size; > String apkPath = mPackageURI.getPath(); > File apkFile = new File(apkPath); > //TODO? DEVISE BETTER HEAURISTIC > size = 4*apkFile.length(); > checkOutOfSpace(size); > > Definitely shows exactly what I was talking about (a 6mb file requiring > 24mb free), and looks like it should affect all installs that go through the > package manager. > > We're working on work-arounds in our app (after-market downloads to > SDcard), but this could still be an issue for others, especially with the > relatively small space on the G1 :) > > Glad we got it pinpointed, should I submit a bug? > > - Dan > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I _think_ the market has the same issue, I'll try to confirm it tonight, >> but from what I've heard from users they're experiencing "download errors" >> if they don't have a large amount of space free. Again, I'll try to get >> some more concrete info later tonight :) >> >> Thanks for taking a look at this stuff with me :) >> >> - Dan >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Dianne Hackborn <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Okay it just sounds like the browser's (or download manager's) checking >>> on free space may be a little overly aggressive (though perhaps not too >>> much, once you start getting to 15% free or so performance goes down fast). >>> >>> On the one hand, I don't see what can be done for ADC. On the other >>> hand, people won't be installing it from the browser, so I'm not sure how >>> big a deal it is? Or does Market have the same limit? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Dianne (or anyone else reading), >>>> >>>> I've got a more concrete case nailed down here. Might help us to figure >>>> this issue out :) >>>> >>>> There's still a tiny bit of ambiguity which looks to be stemming from >>>> Windows vs Linux sdk's (as far as I can tell), but this process should >>>> illustrate the problem. >>>> >>>> All of these are from my Linux sdk (1.5-r2) >>>> Create a fresh emulator (default hardware): >>>> # android create avd -t 2 -n spacetest >>>> Run it with a fresh sdcard: >>>> # emulator -avd spacetest -sdcard sdcard & >>>> Check free-space on emulator (this is where the ambiguity comes in), in >>>> Settings--> SD and Phone Storage --> Internal Phone Available Space >>>> My emulator shows 46mb, using the same commands, a co-worker's shows >>>> 47mb on Windows. Regardless... >>>> /data: 65536K total, 17584K used, 47952K available (block size 4096) >>>> >>>> Download a copy of a bloated APK we made to your local computer ( >>>> http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/Cestos-large.apk) >>>> # wget http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/Cestos-large.apk >>>> Install the APK via adb: >>>> # adb install ~/Desktop/Cestos-large.apk >>>> >>>> Verify that you've got around 23mb free (same as above) this shows 23mb >>>> free on mine, 24mb free on co-worker's. >>>> /data: 65536K total, 41420K used, 24116K available (block size 4096) >>>> >>>> Open the browser (note the available space will decrease _slightly_ with >>>> the first page load (I imagine some caching/settings/etc) >>>> /data: 65536K total, 42848K used, 22688K available (block size 4096) >>>> >>>> Browse to http://www.chickenbrickstudios.com/ProjectInf.apk (our APK >>>> we're having issues installing), which should be 5.67mb. >>>> Wait for the download to finish in the browser. Click on the downloaded >>>> APK >>>> >>>> I am presented with a alert saying "ProjectInf could not be viewed. Free >>>> up some space on your phone and try again", with two options (Manage >>>> Applications, and Cancel). A partition snapshot while that screen is >>>> active >>>> shows: >>>> /data: 65536K total, 42756K used, 22780K available (block size 4096) >>>> >>>> Now, on my co-workers clean emulator, it installs perfectly fine, >>>> however, if he adds any about 1mb to the storage (any 1mb apk will do), he >>>> runs into the same issue, which leads me to believe the "sweet spot" is >>>> very >>>> close to this 4x size. >>>> >>>> The obvious issue here is that 22.78mb should be plenty large enough to >>>> install a 5.67mb APK. As you said, double is expected, slightly over >>>> double >>>> would even be fine, but we're currently looking at very close to 4x the >>>> space, which is an issue :) >>>> >>>> >>>> As an extra kick, the snapshots you posted before are correct as well, >>>> because this same APK (ProjectInf.apk) works fine when installed via ADB: >>>> adb install ~/Desktop/ProjectInf.apk >>>> 2297 KB/s (5949253 bytes in 2.528s) >>>> pkg: /data/local/tmp/ProjectInf.apk >>>> Success >>>> >>>> >>>> If you need any more information, let me know what I can provide, I'd be >>>> more than happy to help try to sort this one out :) >>>> We're just having issues with it, and are a bit worried about ADC, as it >>>> looks like judges might need to have more than half of their phone's data >>>> partition empty to be able to install our app :) >>>> >>>> - Dan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'll see what I can do here to reproduce the issue with more concrete >>>>> documentation, everything we've got so far is based on user input and what >>>>> they've told us they've needed to free to get it to install properly. :) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the response :) >>>>> >>>>> - Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Dianne Hackborn >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> To be honest, I am surprised it requires that much. For something >>>>>> that isn't forward locked, we should need at most double the space (for >>>>>> the >>>>>> original copy of the apk, and the copy placed into /data/apps by the >>>>>> system >>>>>> as it is being installed before the original is deleted). Using more >>>>>> than >>>>>> 3x (actually almost 4x, but it being something between 3x and 4x is >>>>>> weird in >>>>>> itself) is not expected. >>>>>> >>>>>> Btw, I just tried installing a 2068K app with "adb install" and here >>>>>> is a series of snapshots of the available space in /data: >>>>>> >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 33600K used, 296896K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 36000K used, 294496K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 37716K used, 292780K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 37744K used, 292752K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 38056K used, 292440K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 38208K used, 292288K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> /data: 330496K total, 36184K used, 294312K available (block size 4096) >>>>>> >>>>>> That seems to match only requiring 2 copies of the .apk. (And to be >>>>>> honest, I think when you install over market you only need one copy of >>>>>> the >>>>>> .apk, because the actual download happens into /cache so doesn't use >>>>>> space >>>>>> in the data partition.) >>>>>> >>>>>> So... sorry, I honestly don't know what is happening in your case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We're also a bit worried about how this would/will be handled in the >>>>>>> ADC installer, as I'm sure 22mb is easily above what many community >>>>>>> judges >>>>>>> will have available... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Dan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Dan Sherman <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh sorry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I must not have specified, this is with just an APK, completely >>>>>>>> outside of the market. We've heard complaints of users having issues >>>>>>>> through the market, but with a full uninstall of the application, and >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> install from a downloaded APK (which I imagine should be a fresh >>>>>>>> install), >>>>>>>> it requires 22mb free during the install process. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Dan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Dianne Hackborn < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you select the option when putting your app on market it to copy >>>>>>>>> protect it (which uses forward locking on the device). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Dan Sherman >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the responses, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dianne, what do you mean by forward-locked? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Dan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Dianne Hackborn < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If your app is forward locked, it can take significantly more >>>>>>>>>>> space, even after the install is done (unfortunately all of the >>>>>>>>>>> resources >>>>>>>>>>> currently have to be installed twice). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Dan Sherman <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The package installer looks to take up a good amount of space >>>>>>>>>>>> when installing applications. We've published a very large game >>>>>>>>>>>> (ProjectINF >>>>>>>>>>>> - 6mb). And it looks to be taking up a good amount of space >>>>>>>>>>>> during the >>>>>>>>>>>> install process, to the point that we have a lot of users emailing >>>>>>>>>>>> us with >>>>>>>>>>>> complaints/requests to "fix it". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From what we've seen, it looks to take about 22mb of free space >>>>>>>>>>>> to install a 6mb apk. While I can imagine taking double or so for >>>>>>>>>>>> unpacking >>>>>>>>>>>> and temp locations, almost 4x the size seems a bit high. After an >>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>> with 22mb free, the device has 16mb free (which makes perfect >>>>>>>>>>>> sense). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Users also seem to be getting errors on the market when trying >>>>>>>>>>>> to install with less than that amount of space (with no real clear >>>>>>>>>>>> error >>>>>>>>>>>> message, just "Install Failed". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt theres anything we can do on our side (besides shrinking >>>>>>>>>>>> our app all around), but figured I'd ask :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Dan >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Dianne Hackborn >>>>>>>>>>> Android framework engineer >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have >>>>>>>>>>> time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such >>>>>>>>>>> e-mails. All >>>>>>>>>>> such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and >>>>>>>>>>> others can see >>>>>>>>>>> and answer them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dianne Hackborn >>>>>>>>> Android framework engineer >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have >>>>>>>>> time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. >>>>>>>>> All >>>>>>>>> such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others >>>>>>>>> can see >>>>>>>>> and answer them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dianne Hackborn >>>>>> Android framework engineer >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time >>>>>> to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such >>>>>> questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see >>>>>> and >>>>>> answer them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dianne Hackborn >>> Android framework engineer >>> [email protected] >>> >>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to >>> provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such >>> questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and >>> answer them. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer [email protected] Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. 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