Hi ko5tik, Good idea, I agree that injection is not as simple as it should be for objects instantiated manually. I've added your suggestion here: http://code.google.com/p/roboguice/issues/detail?id=34
When you say you're not happy with inheritance, could you be more specific? Do you mean how Activities need to inherit from GuiceActivity instead of Activity? I'm glad to see you here! It's great to have developers who know DI inside and out. Cheers, Mike On Apr 6, 2010, at 2:37 PM, ko5tik wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Being developer of pico I'm also watching what you are doing ;) > > Currently I'm not very happy with size (could/should be less) and > inheritance. > Though inheritance problem could be solved easily - Just create static > method > which will inject supplied object out of context: > > RoboGuice.inject(this) > > This (IMHO) would be less intrusive for users. > > But I think there is more room for DI on android - not only in > interface creation > > ( I play with ideas to adapt pico, but its core is currently too > big ) > regards, > > On Apr 6, 4:38 pm, Michael Burton <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Matthias, >> >> I'm with you on the sluggishness issues. I had to dial-back my use of >> libraries like gson because the overhead just ended up being too high. >> >> In my experience, run-time impact of RoboGuice isn't that high. As I was >> telling Manfred a few days ago, I notice zero impact on the Nexus One or >> Droid. For older devices, it's possible to notice an impact during activity >> startup if you're looking for it, but it's fairly innocuous. Reading >> reviews of apps that use RoboGuice indicates that it doesn't seem to be >> something users are generally aware of. I've got an action item (Issue #33) >> to publish some benchmarks at some point. Battery impact should be >> negligible as roboguice doesn't really do anything in the background. >> >> APK size is an issue though. Right now roboguice+guice adds about 450k (400 >> of that is just guice). I think proguard could probably take out much or >> most of that impact, but I haven't had a chance to get it working yet. >> >> In fact, if anyone is up for the challenge, I'd totally offer up a license >> to IntelliJ 9 to anyone who can supply detailed instructions on how to use >> Proguard with a roboguice android app. >> >> Any takers? :) >> >> Cheers, >> Mike >> >> On Apr 4, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Matthias wrote: >> >>> I was thinking about using Guice myself before, but hesitated fearing >>> to make the overall sluggishness of the platform even worse. >> >>> How much of an overhead are talking about in terms of memory footprint >>> and size of bundled libraries? Any noticeable impacts on speed or >>> battery life? How often does Guice kick in in the background? >> >>> I'm currently stepping back from overly abstract programming models on >>> Android because of exactly these issues. >> >>> On Mar 29, 8:53 pm, Michael Burton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hello Android developers, >> >>>> I'd like to announce the final release of RoboGuice 1.0! >> >>>> http://code.google.com/p/roboguice >> >>>> RoboGuice is a framework that brings the simplicity and ease of Dependency >>>> Injection to Android, using Google's own Guice library. If you've ever >>>> used Spring (the #1 enterprise framework on Java, now more popular than >>>> J2EE itself) or Guice, you already know how convenient this style of >>>> programming can be. >> >>>> To give you an idea, take a look at this simple example of a typical >>>> Android activity: >> >>>> class AndroidWay extends Activity { >>>> TextView name; >>>> ImageView thumbnail; >>>> LocationManager loc; >>>> Drawable icon; >>>> String myName; >> >>>> public void onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState) { >>>> super.onCreate(savedInstanceState); >> >>>> name = (TextView) findViewById(R.id.name); >>>> thumbnail = (ImageView) findViewById(R.id.thumbnail); >>>> loc = (LocationManager) >>>> getSystemService(Activity.LOCATION_SERVICE); >>>> icon = getResources().getDrawable(R.drawable.icon); >>>> myName = getString(R.string.app_name); >>>> name.setText( "Hello, " + myName ); >>>> } >> >>>> } >> >>>> This example is 18 lines of code. If you're trying to read through >>>> onCreate(), you have to skip over 5 lines of boilerplate initialization to >>>> find the only one that really matters: name.setText(). And complex >>>> activities can end up with a lot more of this sort of initialization code. >> >>>> Compare this to the same app, written using RoboGuice: >> >>>> class RoboWay extends GuiceActivity { >>>> @InjectView(R.id.name) TextView name; >>>> @InjectView(R.id.thumbnail) ImageView thumbnail; >>>> @InjectResource(R.drawable.icon) Drawable icon; >>>> @InjectResource(R.string.app_name) String myName; >>>> @Inject LocationManager loc; >> >>>> public void onCreate(Bundle savedInstanceState) { >>>> super.onCreate(savedInstanceState); >> >>>> name.setText( "Hello, " + myName ); >>>> } >> >>>> } >> >>>> In this example, onCreate() is much easier to take in at a glance. All >>>> the platform boilerplate is stripped away and you're left with just your >>>> own app's business logic. Do you need a SystemService? Inject one. Do >>>> you need a View or Resource? Inject those, too, and RoboGuice will take >>>> care of the details. >> >>>> RoboGuice's goal is to make your code be about your app, rather than be >>>> about all the initialization and lifecycle code you typically have to >>>> maintain in Android. >> >>>> RoboGuice has been in development since August 2009, and 0.9 entered >>>> release candidacy in December and has been stabilizing ever since. After >>>> three months and a few finishing touches, we now believe it's ready to >>>> expose to a larger audience. >> >>>> We know that RoboGuice won't be for everybody. Although RoboGuice never >>>> prevents you from doing things the Android way, some people will still >>>> prefer seeing everything spelled out explicitly in their code. And other >>>> people who write extremely high performance applications such as games may >>>> not want to incur the small overhead imposed by yet another framework. >>>> But for people who want to build simple and straightforward code that's >>>> easily testable and easy to read, I encourage you to give RoboGuice a try. >> >>>> We hope you like it. Stop by our discussion forums if you'd like to have >>>> any help getting started. >> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Mike >> >>>> PS. We're beginning work on RoboGuice 1.1 now, which will include more >>>> injectible objects, better unit testing support, and hopefully some >>>> general usability improvements as well. 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