Which also means Orange _could_ manage to push out a Cupcake update as soon as it's available before or around when SFR gets the G2 Magic to the masses end of April.
(But we all know that once updated, Orange will forget to provide new firmware after that, as they always do...) On Mar 18, 11:57 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Here is somethin that seems quite clear to me. Orange is trying to > kill Androïd before it kicks there beloved Iphone. What else could > explain that Orange is selling G1 instead of G2 ? > > I think that they don't want to make androïd a success. Sell a G1 with > no app and everybody will say Androïd is no good then sell more > Iphones. And with help of god people will really think Androïd is bad > and don't buy any G2 at SFR's stores. > > Maketting wars. > > On Mar 17, 11:48 pm, "Julien (JaXX) Banchet" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From what I know (being in France, but as an soon ex-Orange customer): > > They crippled the data connection linked to the phone account, > > blocking syncable apps. > > > The reason advanced is that want to see how they'll figure how to > > manage an always connected phone (like if they haven't thought about > > it before). and could slowly open the tubes in the next days if all > > goes well... > > > Some peeps got G1's on eBay and have older subscriptions, without all > > the capping and so... and have no problem at all, like I had with my > > iPhone before it got stolen (and Orange's insurance refused to cover) > > and with which I had no trouble doing SSH and PPTP, and from what I > > heard, that is tougher to achieve nowadays. > > > Orange sucks, honestly, I know this could seem off topic, or even > > deserve a moderation, but the more time passes, the worse they get > > (the two other operators deserve as much kicks as the first one... and > > after a 500M€ fine, they're getting and extra 90M€ because of avoiding > > competition and aligning high prices together... all that while > > fighting to avoid a fourth one getting on the market, "Free" who is > > known to have brought France in OCDE's top internet charts with a 30€/ > > month 28Mbs ADSL2+ net+tv+phone all-you-can-eat offer > > )http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_(French_ISP) > > > JB, *ranting mood* :-) > > ./. > > > On Mar 17, 6:19 pm, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I wish people would read the whole post before hitting reply ^^. > > > > In this case the important bit said; > > > > *I don't have the inside track, so I can't say for certain why the apps > > > aren't available, I was just offering up some suggestions to show why we > > > shouldn't assume they're withholding the apps just because they want to.* > > > > As for the rest of Disconnects post, well, sounds a lot like what I said > > > several weeks ago > > > (http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/f...) > > > > Al. > > > > Disconnect wrote: > > > > ..the sky is blue. (Look! I can spit out random unrelated facts also!) > > > > > If it is illegal to do contact sync from France to google, as was > > > > suggested, then those apps would be illegal. They are not. > > > > > If google was putting it's effort into ANDROID (instead of just being > > > > an outsourced code shop for the OHA members) you would have at least > > > > as good - if not better - access to google services from -any- android > > > > device. Instead, your best bet is to get a blackberry or iphone and > > > > use the freely available google and 3rd party sync apps. > > > > > To drag this forcibly back to the original topic :) I think it'll be > > > > quite entertaining to watch this phone fail. (Or, alternately - more > > > > likely - to learn that this was a chicken-little incident and the > > > > retail devices do or shortly will have all the usual google apps..) > > > > "Android" won't succeed without google AND a community. Hopefully > > > > google will realize that you need to help the community instead.. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Fred Grott <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > Blackberry uses j2me android doe s not .. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Disconnect > > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > You forgot something important - those countries can still use > > > > the j2me gmail client (and istr there are some decent 3rd > > > > party contact/calendar sync apps for most phones as well..) > > > > > Tangentially, its interesting (in a sad kind of way) that my > > > > wife's blackberry (with no push account configured) has better > > > > access to google services than my "google phone" running > > > > master (or, evidently, anyone using the dream in France.) She > > > > gets automatic calendar sync, decent multi-account gmail > > > > access (not just the imap mess) and contact sync. I get .. > > > > um.. imap access. And thats it. :( > > > > > (All the apps she uses to do that are free, fyi.) > > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Al Sutton > > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > Some countries have "interesting" privacy laws relating to > > > > personal data > > > > (i.e. contacts) For example; In the EU it's illegal to > > > > transmit personal > > > > data from from a device within EU to a location where > > > > there isn't an > > > > equivalent protection on personal data (you can get an > > > > idea of the fun > > > > that caused for US/EU data transfers at > > > > http://www.out-law.com/page-691). > > > > > I don't have the inside track, so I can't say for certain > > > > why the apps > > > > aren't available, I was just offering up some suggestions > > > > to show why we > > > > shouldn't assume they're withholding the apps just because > > > > they want to. > > > > > Al. > > > > > pod wrote: > > > > > What legal reasons ? > > > > > If it's legal to access gmail on web, then it's legal to > > > > download > > > > > gmail from the market ... > > > > > > On Mar 17, 10:14 am, Al Sutton <[email protected] > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >> I'm guessing that legal reasons prevent them from doing > > > > that. > > > > > >> Even I don't believe they are withholding them just for > > > > the sake of it. > > > > >> I'm pretty sure it's either to do with the use of code > > > > they don't have a > > > > >> license to distribute in all regions (as is the case I > > > > beleive with the > > > > >> multi-IM client that comes on US G1s), or they don't > > > > have a license to > > > > >> use certain data sets in all regions, or they're not > > > > sure that the > > > > >> applications comply with local legislation (as could be > > > > the case with > > > > >> French privacy laws an the missing sync stuff). > > > > > >> Al. > > > > > >> whitemice wrote: > > > > > >>> At this point Google should start distributing their > > > > own apps over the > > > > >>> App market like everyone else. > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> * Written an Android App? - List it > > > > athttp://andappstore.com/*<http://andappstore.com/*> > > > > > >> ====== > > > > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales > > > > with the > > > > >> company number 6741909. 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