Indeed one should limit the update-cycle related stats when translating them to popularity. Just look where it took rockon on the andappstore :-) (not criticizing - i am the developer). The fact that it is updated 2-3 times a week certainly helps with the stats. And me as a developer don't want to be limited in the frequency which I update the app... so beware and make it right :-).
Cheers, Filipe http://abrantix.org/rockon.php Al Sutton wrote: > I'd be happy to look at any ideas you have about how update-thrashers > could be limited. I can appreciate that long release cycle apps would > not appear at the top of the listings as often, but I think it's a > matter of tuning the time between updates which get top billing to > ensure that most apps would have gone from the top 20 or 50 (where > users tend to look). > > I don't see improvements to Market being a big threat to AndAppStore, > we get a fair amount of traffic from users on platforms Google doesn't > support and so Market isn't officially available (e.g. Koolus > distribution on the FreeRunner), which is why I try to explain to > developers that listing on AndAppStore widens their distribution as > opposed to just covering the same set of users twice. > > As I see it AndAppStore meets your needs (web based, RSS feed, > canonical app links), if there is anything you feel is missing I would > welcome your feedback. > > Al. > > --- > > * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > > ====== > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > subsidiaries. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Gibara > *Sent:* 20 April 2009 10:32 > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [android-discuss] Re: Comparison of iPhone & G1 app selling > > Having a constraint based on the time since the last release is > probably insufficient since publishers who want to abuse the market in > this way would not be deterred, and there would be enough of them that > even if only a small proportion of them could publish a rank adjusting > update, they would still blot out new releases. > > Also the software I write tends to have long release cycles (too long > probably). That is partially a consequence of me trying to do too > much, but I like to think that its also a reflection that I spend a > lot of time trying to get an application right first time. Promoting > updated applications might penalize authors such as myself, though > that wouldn't cause me to change my approach; I enjoy trying to > produce high quality software. > > Returning to the thrust of your original post, I think the core > problem is that applications are not very discoverable. I think > there's an irony that Google (though it is just one member of the > OHA), a company whose ascendency has been in large part due to its > ability to promote the discoverability of information through the > analysis of openly networked data, is now backed into a very closed > market environment where it differentiating strengths are mostly > neutralized. > > A contributing factor to this situation is surely the demands of > carriers and perhaps even the nature of the contract with market > publishers. Nevertheless, a web-based market that provided canonical > links to applications for other websites, together with syndicatable > XML based feeds would, I believe, in a relatively short time create an > information infrastructure that would provide Google's search engine > with the data needed to find relevant high quality applications. > > I appreciate that such a move could represent a threat to independent > services such as AndAppStore, though it could present opportunities if > the application database was vendor neutral but that does seems > unlikely from my limited perspective. > > Tom. > > 2009/4/20 Al Sutton <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Hi Tom, > > You can use release limits to stop that kind of behaviour. > > Basically you limit the position in the new release table so that > a new release doesn't get a position boost unless the prior > release has either dropped down to a certain position or the prior > release was made more than, say, 7 days ago. > > Al. > > --- > > * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > > ====== > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > subsidiaries. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Tom Gibara > *Sent:* 20 April 2009 08:55 > > *To:* [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* [android-discuss] Re: Comparison of iPhone & G1 app selling > > Hi Al, > > Re updated apps: the alternative in an unmoderated market is that > one can simply publish faux updates as often as one wants to push > one's application back up the rankings; in the absence of a better > idea I prefer Google's current approach to this. > > Tom > > 2009/4/20 Al Sutton <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > Josh, > > He also raised the following points; > > - Presentation of applications > - By default all apps are in one bucket (so apps which > generate the 30% for > Google et al. and help a developer pay bills get no extra > visibility). > - Apps which developers release updates for have the same > visibility as apps > that developers abandon after a single release. > > Now I know that you can filter by paid or free only apps, but > how many of us > would have found that option easily? > > Al. > > --- > > * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > > ====== > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, > or it's > subsidiaries. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Josh > Steiner > Sent: 20 April 2009 05:11 > To: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Comparison of iPhone & G1 app > selling > > > Just needed to point out that his criticism seemed to boil > down to that the > app on iPhone sold in 1 day as much as the android app did in > 3 weeks. If you take his estimation of deployed devices, > 20-to-1 which is > probably in the ballpark... you should see exactly that number > of sales. 3 > weeks = 21 days. Hardly newsworthy if you ask me. > > That said, his critsicisms of the Market's flaws are dead on > and should be > fixed. > > -J > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Al Sutton > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > http://twitter.com/markusN > > > > One app, two platforms, and some conclusions that hopefully > Google > > will take on board. > > > > Al. > > > > > > --- > > > > * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > > > > ====== > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > > company number 6741909. 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