[my comments inline]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Mark Murphy<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> First, I would like to thank you for this post, which I'm sure took some
> time to properly craft.

Quite a few hours indeed :)

> How are you drawing the line between those? In other words, what
> attributes are there of "community project" that AOSP is not planning to
> have, yet AOSP still seeks "code contributions"?
>
> I don't doubt there is a valid distinction, but it'd be useful to
> understand what you mean when you use the term "community project".

"community project" is a project where all contributors have access to
the schedule, roadmap, feature lists, latest source code, code
reviews, technical discussions, bug database, with contributors being
fundamentally equal (regardless of whether they work in their parents'
basement on their spare time or on the desk next to the lead approver
in the same company)

In AOSP, we are in a situation where non-Googlers can only see stuff
done by other non-Googlers, whereas the stuff done by Googlers is
mostly done in secret (except for the kernel).

> I don't see any job listings out on Google's corporate site that seem to
> fit this bill, but I might not be looking at the right ones (and
> searching international jobs seems to be painful). Are there job
> descriptions that you can point us to, that we can help promote, to
> increase the odds that you can find the right people?

Google's hiring practice is to hire all-around software engineers, and
then to assign them to specific projects - this gives everyone
involved a lot of flexibility. While the second part (assignment) can
be influenced through referrals, the part that you see on the outside
is strictly the first part, i.e. hiring all-around engineers with a
generic engineering job description.

> Is there a roster of these anywhere that is publicly visible?

>From memory: setting the "provisioned" bit, calendar back-end, and the
IM app's plugin.

> Any suggestions on how we in the community can engage the OHA to try to
> get this issue resolved?

That's part of the major failure.

JBQ

-- 
Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru
Software Engineer, Android Open-Source Project, Google.

Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private
will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further
warning.

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