On Friday 13 August 2010 08:18:38 Matt Kanninen wrote: > Southern Califronia has a major toll highway, google maps used to drop > you on it all the time if you drove from Los Angeles to San Diego. > > Getting back on topic, I can't get myself fired up yet about net > neutrality. I'm expecting the market will fix the problem, and there > will be plenty of geek rage each time an ISP is detected as violating > it. > > The wireless internet is still a more wild west type place, so I can > see some companies getting away with giving one of theirs or a > partners service some sort of priority. > > But I can think of lots of examples where I'd want that. If I > switched to skype as my primary voice provider on my phone I'd want > it's traffic prioritized.
What? Why would a telco want to sell prioritized access to skype a competitor of their charging for phone minutes? > I'm cool with traffic that is considered > "real time", gaming traffic, streaming video, voice, etc. to gret > priorized over every random webpage's ajaxed advertising related > network calls. > > Also the cell phone companies do have less monopolistic control then > ISP's do in the US. You have your choice of the 1 Cable operator in > the area in most places, if you want the fastest consumer internet > speeds. But the market is much more fragmented for cell phones. > > My 2 cents, > -MK > > On Aug 11, 1:52 pm, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > > FYI, some of the tollroads were around before the Interstate projects. > > They are widely unknown in the west however. > > > > Raymond C. Rodgers wrote: > > > While I generally agree with you, I would like to point out that there > > > are toll booths on some of the national interstate highways in some > > > parts of the country. Take for example I-80 outside of Chicago, IL, > > > and also through much of Ohio, or I-44/40 in Oklahoma... The > > > interstates were long ago paid for by our taxes, and their upkeep is > > > paid by more tax money, and yet states are allowed to profit from them > > > apparently, though most don't have toll roads. > > > > > > That said, I whole heartedly agree that internet management needs to > > > be something outside the control of governments and businesses, but I > > > can't come up with a reasonable idea for a governing body that would > > > be able to enforce rules and provide equal access for all at a > > > reasonable cost as well... > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > On 8/10/2010 2:30 PM, Brian Conrad wrote: > > >> Though I applaud Google's developing Android as an open source > > >> platform I DO NOT applaud their activities regarding the end to Net > > >> Neutrality. I'm getting tired of this growing trend of what > > >> essentially is "corporate communism" or where the corporations run > > >> everything including the government. Let's leave the Internet as it > > >> is. Or if the telecoms are crying because their expansion need to be > > >> paid for (after their exec's new yachts, private jets and mansions, > > >> of course) and start behaving arrogantly then it is time to take the > > >> Internet out of their hands and put it in the commons. It is the > > >> "information highway" and should be treated like our interstate > > >> highways with free and open access to everyone. > > >> > > >> Web site devoted to blocking this kind of activity: > > >>http://www.savetheinternet.com/ > > >> > > >> Also make your local small business people aware of this. They often > > >> just contract someone to do a web page and don't pay attention to > > >> this stuff. Let them know their customers will have difficulty > > >> getting to their web pages if net neutrality ends. Time to set fires > > >> under the usual apathetic asses of Americans. > > >> > > >> Shane Isbell wrote: > > >>> Some info on Google and Verizon on net neutrality in the link below. > > >>> > > >>> The article is a bit muddled. What Verizon is really trying to do is > > >>> QoS and > > >>> charging more for better service, something very similar to how they > > >>> are now > > >>> charging for tethering (although in a new way which I explain below). > > >>> T-Mobile never built out their QoS so we can expect them to remain > > >>> neutral; > > >>> but with Verizon and Google both coming out in support of this, I'd > > >>> expect > > >>> two things to happen on VZW. > > >>> > > >>> First, Android services are going to become tiered so to get the > > >>> full-experience is going to start costing end-users more. > > >>> > > >>> Second, companies like Google are going to be able to strike deals > > >>> so that > > >>> services like YouTube will be unrestricted, while services of > > >>> competitors > > >>> (or other third-parties) who don't pay Verizon will be throttled. > > >>> > > >>> I understand the reasons carriers give for this, they pay a lot for > > >>> the network so the people that use it the most should pay more. This > > >>> is standard > > >>> business practice. But this new argument emerging that certain > > >>> websites or > > >>> services should be restricted is rather smelly and reflects back the > > >>> old > > >>> Verizon (the true Verizon?) prior to Android. It's basically saying > > >>> that > > >>> companies that pay more will have better service and this allows > > >>> whole competitive landscapes to shift in ways that QoS on the > > >>> end-user couldn't. > > >>> > > >>> To make this more specific, say you have a really popular Android > > >>> application and then Verizon has a most-favored vendor that decides > > >>> to come > > >>> up with a competitor to your application. Well, when your service > > >>> becomes > > >>> twice as slow (or even unusable), which service do you think users > > >>> will move > > >>> to? This is a very dangerous slope for Android. > > >>> > > >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-09/google-verizon-offer-joint-i. > > >>>.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en.
