To add to the mix, http://aurelia.io/ also seems a good option
On 2 June 2015 at 09:28, Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I did not come here to bash a language.
> I m just sharing my experience. Like I said I use JavaScript everyday. I
> wrote dozen of tools on top of the most popular JS libraries.
> I know what I m tallking about.
>
> Sure each language has flows and there is not such a thing a the perfect
> language. But It s simply easier to shoot yourself in the foot with
> JavaScript than any other language.
> Sure with given time and effort people can get stuff done in JS. That
> does not mean that the language is pleasant and suitable for the things
> people are using it today.
>
> There is a reason why Google, Facebook, Microsoft, most of the time use
> something on top of JS. And I m sure when it comes to big scale web apps
> they know their stuff.
>
> My main problem with JS has been that there is simply no way to ensure
> that a given dev will work in a given way because in JS anything is
> possible. I cant simply give you an object and be sure that I will get the
> same object back(Prototype highjacking I m looking at you).
>
> How many time did we spend chasing errors that end up beeing typos errors
> ? Like the code below.
>
> function findMin(arr){
> // Can I even ensure that one can only pass arrays here ? If yes can
> I ensure that it s an array of numbers ?
> // Still we have a problem is this code.
> var minimum = arr[0];
> for(var i = 0; i < arr.length; i++){
> if(arr[i] < minimum){
> mininum = arr[i];
> }
> }
> return minimum;
> }
>
>
> How about refactoring ? Ever tried to refactor a big scale JS code ?
> Yes IntelliJ helps a bit with that. But even that awesome IDE has its
> limit.
> So lots of enterprise apps end up beeing huge black boxes.
>
> No this is not a bashing.
> JS has flows. Really fundamental flows.
> And I m glad to see that lots of effort are beeing made to atleast fix
> some of those.
>
>
>
>
> On 2 June 2015 at 06:50, Anton Trapp <anton.tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Language wars. How funny. Hated JavaScript (came from Ruby and this is
>> still my favorite), with CoffeeScript I can look at it because it does not
>> look to ugly :)
>> Yes, some concepts (or the lack of them) show that not the most clever
>> people invented it yesterday and used all the experience from other
>> languages to do that.
>>
>> But to say a language is bad because people try to make it better over
>> the years as the intended purpose changes and it gets used by much more
>> people is silly. Every language that is used and after every new pattern
>> that proves worthy (DRY, ...) gets it's updates, otherwise it vanishes.
>>
>> And I am in the software business for almost 30 years. Saw many languages
>> and projects. Not a single one failed because of the used language. Some
>> failed because of people not able to understand how do deal with the
>> weaknesses of the languages and frameworks.
>>
>> And bashing around on something without any proof is just wasting my
>> time. JavaScript is definitively one of the most important and most used
>> languages today. Likely because it is unusable and all people who use it
>> are idiots.
>>
>> Really have better things to do. Out of this thread - have fun bashing ;)
>>
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