Hi Brian,

On 11/4/16 8:08 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
> Also, much of this topic is systems engineering, not protocol design.
> However, at the protocol design level it seems apparent that autonomic
> mechanisms *above all others* need to work when everything else is broken.
> For many aspects that reduces to defining defaults that apply on a cold
> start, but for security bootstrap in particular it also means defining
> what happens when no external dependencies are possible. That does seem
> to need pixie dust.
>

I could envision multiple approaches to addressing this, but I didn't
want to go down the solutions path until we have a clear understanding
of what we are solving for.  For instance, there is replacement
equipment, and then there are first responders.  Do first responders
require authentication?  Is authentication in these cases a binary
output or perhaps characterized differently?  And how does this differ
from other problems, such as electronic health records (EHR) in these
circumstances?  I think we could spend quite some time in that sort of
discussion.  For a proposed standard, we may be overreaching, and so we
should be quite careful.  But I would agree that the topic should be
covered in greater depth.  My issue is one of how much to bite off now.

Eliot

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