Remember that the pledge can only have a link-local address during bootstrap,
so i would not know how to interpret your comment.
Cheers
Toerless
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 07:41:40AM +0000, Eliot Lear (elear) wrote:
> Sure. Use normal unicast addresses (ULA or other) if available.
>
> Eliot
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Toerless Eckert <t...@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> >
> > Can you propose a stateless proxy model that would not pass the link-local
> > addresses on to the registrar and that uses Michaels beloved IPinIP encap ?
> >
> > Alas i have fallen in love with UDP encap because i like to see more
> > networking software now be build like any othrer application on top of
> > UDP/TCP APIs and not mess around with OS kernel features, so all
> > my answers would be "the proxy is an app that either statefully proxies TCP
> > or stateless proxies UDP".
> >
> > If you want to statelessly proxy TCP and on the registrar use some existing
> > TCP stack, then i would begrudgingly agree with Michael, that i also need
> > some
> > kerne level handling of the encap so that i get kernel level TCP.
> >
> > I am still waiting for some better explanation from Michael about the
> > "Linux kernel and overlapping TCP" to fully understand his proposal.
> >
> > So, here is one proposal for IPinIP using the current -07 draft ULA
> > addressing:
> >
> > A) We assign one of the 8 (3 bit) "T"ype codes to "Subnet Identifier for
> > Encap".
> >
> > B) The proxy allocates a separate "Zone" number for every subnet. Zone =
> > Subnet.
> > In result it now has for every subnet a separate ULA address for the
> > IPinIP encap.
> >
> > C) The registrar announces its ability to support IPinIP BRSKI via GRASP
> >
> > D) Each ACP device need to use its ACP DeviceID also as the host-part of its
> > link-local address.
> >
> > E) The proxy as part of its tunnel functionality also assigns itself the
> > Registrar
> > link local address on every subnet. At least logically. Whether it
> > really needs
> > to do this physcially is implementation specific.
> >
> > F) The proxy announces via GRASP BRSKI-IPIP with the Registrar Link-Local
> > address
> > (which it can do because according to E) it owns it on its subnets -
> > GRASP
> > DULL does not permit third-party announcements, so E) is to make it
> > legal for
> > the proxy to announce this in GRASP).
> >
> > G) Any packets sent by pledges to the Registrar link-local address are
> > IPinIP
> > encapsulated using the "Subnet Identifier for Encap" as the source IP
> > address and
> > the Registrar ULA as the destination address.
> >
> > H) The registrar can create a separate IPinIP tunnel per remote proxy,
> > per-subnet-on-proxy.
> > It does not need further addresses.
> >
> > Some more details might be needed, eg:
> > - If a proxy has more than 2^13 interfaces it needs to dynamically allocate
> > subnet encap addresses.
> > - A proxy might want to map different subnets to differen registrars for
> > load balancing.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Toerless
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 08:54:46AM +0200, Eliot Lear wrote:
> >> On the other hand, maybe it's fundamental, but is relying on LL in this
> >> architecture to go beyond LL boundaries the right thing to do?
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 7/17/17 8:34 AM, Michael Richardson wrote:
> >>> Toerless Eckert <t...@cs.fau.de> wrote:
> >>>> I thought i had asked that question already but not sure, and not seen
> >>>> an answer: - I have never seen that a device has more than one
> >>>> link-local addr on an interface. Is this permitted by IPv6 arck ? Can
> >>>> you configure this in eg: Linux. I thought i tried on linux/cisco-ios
> >>>> in the past and i do not quite remember, but i think it failed (only
> >>>> one address).
> >>>
> >>> dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 10879 %sudo ip -6 addr add fe80::1234/64 dev wlan0
> >>>
> >>> dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 10788 %ifconfig wlan0
> >>> wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:11:96:01:81:e0
> >>> inet addr:31.133.129.16 Bcast:31.133.143.255 Mask:255.255.240.0
> >>> inet6 addr: fe80::1234/64 Scope:Link
> >>> inet6 addr: fe80::a11:96ff:fe01:81e0/64 Scope:Link
> >>> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> >>>
> >>> dooku-[~](2.3.0) mcr 10788 %ip -6 addr ls dev wlan0
> >>> 3: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 state UP qlen 1000
> >>> inet6 fe80::1234/64 scope link
> >>> valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> >>> inet6 fe80::a11:96ff:fe01:81e0/64 scope link
> >>> valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> >>>
> >>>
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