More comments on the discussion at IETF 101: > [Toerless] I think this work is highly useful, But we have to figure out the > charter issue, because ASAs in general are not in current charter. It can > become better and better the more experience we gain, thus as a chair I > wouldn'tnecessarily want to have it finished as quickly as possible.
I understand that argument, and the document is far from finished. But how can we encourage people (not just IETF people) to provide the experience? I think we need open source implementations of the ANI components ASAP. ....> [Alex Galis] 1) this draft is to better describe the border between service > system right up vs. ASA right up; in other words, what are these and how > to > move from the described application towards service, that's the driving > force. I don't think that this is a clear answer in you current system. Again: we need experience, not theory, to clarify this. > 2) NFV is coming in a big way, it's time to embrace the virtualization > significantly because that's where our autonomicity will be applied. > it's the time to embrace virtualization; Remember though that ANIMA is a *management* mechanism. Certainly it can manage virtual functions and components, just as easily as physical devices. I don't see a problem of principle here at all. The ASAs need the administrative privilege necessary to manage the virtual components, that's all. (The ACP itself is a virtual network, using VRF functionality.) > 3) Autonomicity had big subject, it's time to decouple it autonomocity > in terms of specific self-x capabilities for which ASA or other parts of > the > Anima could be better applied. One framework for all, it's not going to be > easy to put in deployment in all the aspects, including the control plane > which was described recently. I'm afraid I'm not sure that this is > deployable. But if that's not deployed, at least ASA applications could be > better deployed. GRASP requires a secure substrate. It doesn't actually *require* draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane; that's just the first exemplar of a secure substrate. GRASP could be deployed tomorrow over any other sort of secure substrate (or, heretically, with no security at all, but I don't advocate that outside a hackathon). Alex, can you propose a simple alternative to the ACP? Brian _______________________________________________ Anima mailing list Anima@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima