On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Dag Wieers <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014, Brian Coca wrote:
>
>  I understand that, it is not the problem.
>>
>> Consider my site.yml which has 23 different plays. To run with the new
>> behavior I gather facts 23 times.
>>
>> If I change my included plays to gather_facts: false to avoid this, I
>> cannot run them individually anymore if they need facts (most of them do).
>>
>
> Exactly, this is what we do often as well. I didn't this implication.
>
> But now that Michael proposes to have gather_facts: auto configurable from
> ansible.cfg, it would suffice for me. What he thinks is best by default is
> not my concern, but his customer's and support's concern.
>


I'd like to let this thread drop, but I don't want to leave this
assumption.   Commerce has not even been a part of this discussion.   What
we do on this list is try to maintain Ansible for thousands upon thousands
of users, and try to make sure that we design and test things to ensure we
create a good product for everyone.

We are not, by any means, responding to a customer ticket to fix behavior.

However, I *AM* going to use my expertise about how to make Ansible easier
to everyone from time to time, to try and target Ansible so that it helps
the most people.

Which if people like Ansible to date, I think they have to trust that is
what we have been doing, and are continuing to do.

It's not going to be the case that the most vocal always get to win their
arguments, as that is a path to disaster for everyone involved.

When people have concerns -- PLEASE -- express them.  But also spare the
allegations of evil-doing.

The transmuto-ray in the basement isn't even ready yet.


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