On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:23 AM Vladimir Botka wrote: > third debug task fails because the expansion of the string > "{{ ... }}" fails before the *or* expression could be evaluated.
Sure, but why is it expanded at all? You're right that we can make my already-minimal test when variable Does Not Exist (dne) even shorter without needing to use hostvars: - hosts: localhost become: false vars: ivar: '{{dne}}' tasks: - debug: msg: "{{'foo' or ivar}}" > You'll need a default value if you want to use this kind of > "lazy evaluation" constructs ... I had thought ansible variables were lazily evaluated already. In docs/docsite/rst/reference_appendices/glossary.rst it says: Lazy Evaluation In general, Ansible evaluates any variables in playbook content at the last possible second, which means that if you define a data structure that data structure itself can define variable values within it, and everything "just works" as you would expect. This also means variable strings can include other variables inside of those strings. This seems to imply that things which aren't ever referenced, will never be expanded. There is even an open issue with a feature idea to force evaluation to be non-lazy: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/10374 I cannot use a default because this whole thing is relying on whether it's defined or not later to take different actions. the fuller example is: - name: determine_subnet when: > project == project_bake or hostvars[target].ipnet is defined set_fact: subnet: '{{ (project == project_bake) | ternary( subnet_bake, determined_subnet )}}' the problem here is that determined_subnet is defined like this: determined_subnet: '{{subnets[ip_cidrnet]}}' and the chain for that is: ip_host: '{{hostvars[ip_referent].ipnet}}' ip_referent: '{{host | d(target | d(inventory_hostname))}}' ip_network: "{{ip_host | ipaddr('network')}}" ip_cidrnet: '{{ip_network}}/{{ip_prefix}}' When ipnet (an inventory variable) is not defined, determined_subnet is still being expanded, even though project == project_bake, and should therefore never need to evaluate the second arg to ternary(). For this case, ipnet is not set. I've made it work by splitting it into two set_facts with cascading 'when' clauses, but I don't understand why it's happening in the first place. The evaluation does not seem to be lazy, or it would never need to evaluate an unused arg right? And it's the same behavior using ternary, if/else, or a disjunction ("or"). -- Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ansible Project" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ansible-project+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ansible-project/CACRKOwy3gcz%2BVRTrbgnZj3CjdAjFQW9v93TAZ4m3Hb7WLkCfog%40mail.gmail.com.