[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thomas Zander writes:
>
>>>dIon writes:
>>>
>>>I've spent some time this weekend reading up on the various proposals
>>
> for
>
>>>Ant 2, and my first reaction is:
>>>
>>>'Is Ant dead?'
>>
>
>>You write a nice email but you forgot the most interresting things,
>
> right
>
>>now it only spreads Doubt, Uncertainty and also Fear.
>
> I suppose that sums up my feelings about Ant 2 very neatly:
> - Doubt as to whether it will come to fruition
> - Uncertainty about whether the Ant community wants it
> - Fear that we will be stuck with the 1.x limitations forever.
Ok, let me say that I feel the same way.
>>This email would be a whole lot more usefull if it specified;
>>- What is wrong with the current approuch.
>>- What your proposals in the technical aspect
>>- How you propose not to alianate the current userbase
>>- What you have done and will do to get there.
>
> I think this has all been done before - that's my point. We already have
> proposals for Ant 2, which I feel are worth moving forward on. So to
> answer your points:
> - we are not voting on Ant 2.
> - Adopt one of the two up to date proposals - Mutant or Myrmidon.
> - Backward compatibility in the existing proposals (Mutant is ahead on
> that)
> - I've been 'involved' in at least one of the alternative projects I
> mentioned before, e.g. Maven and Jelly. I've submitted code to Ant 1.x,
> and I'm trying to get an Ant 2 discussion going :)
:-)
I would add Jelly to the proposals, at least as an "engine".
Maven and Centipede are maybe a bit different, in a sense that they
build *on* Ant-Jelly, but we could discuss on wether Ant should do what
they do, it could be interesting.
>>I'd hate to see your obvious dissapointment go wasted, but your email
>> won't
>>change much! Showing work and making sure its done by starting doing it
>
> will!
> Unfortunately, no it wont. I'm not in a position to call for a vote, or to
> stop changes to the 1.x stream.....
>
> And believe it or not, sending that email is 'showing work'. How would you
> like me to 'start doing' the move to Ant 2? Put more effort behind one of
> the ignored proposals?
>
> Bring on Ant 2...........
I think it's maybe a bit early to call a vote on the proposals, but I think
that it's time that they are evaluated anyway.
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Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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