Well there you've got to go and embarrass me in front of the whole list 
:-)  I can't believe I didn't think of that!  Ugh!!!

Thanks Laurie for pointing out what should have been the obvious 
solution.  Sheesh.  Man, I can't believe I missed that.

Jake

At 09:58 PM 9/9/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Why bother with all that file copying? :-) Just do:
>
><property file="build.properties"/>
><property file="sample.build.properties"/>
>
>If build.properties doesn't exist it wont be loaded; if it does exist the
>properties it contains will override those in sample.build.properties. Now
>the user simply adds only those properties they want to override to their
>build.properties.
>
>L.
>
>On 9/9/02 6:05 PM, "Jacob Kjome" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hello Dominique,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion, but that solution misses the point.  If we
> > just had it stored as "build.properties" so that it always existed it
> > would achieve the same thing as the entity include stuff you are
> > talking about so that doesn't seem to approach my hopeful solution.  I
> > actually am using the entity include for Tomcat Ant Manager tasks and
> > it works pretty slick :-)
> >
> > But the point of the sample.build.properties is that each person may
> > have their own.  Each person can add/change/remove properties from
> > their own copy of build.properties but we always want to have a
> > reference available for the standard stuff that goes in
> > build.properties hence the copy from sample.* to * only if * doesn't
> > exist.
> >
> > Sounds like I'm going to have to forgo the sample. stuff for
> > build.properties.  Works fine for everything else because we can
> > guarantee that the other files will be copied from sample.* to *
> > before they are needed by the build.  There just isn't a good way to
> > do that will build.properties.
> >
> > BTW, is the <import> tag that you mention available in Ant-1.5.1beta1?
> > I thought that was only going to be Ant2 functionality?
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > Monday, September 09, 2002, 4:41:21 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > DD> Sounds to me that you should maybe avoid this kind of trouble by using
> > DD> entity include instead of your <copy> of sample files... That way, 
> you can
> > DD> have a properly named project whose entire body is empty but for the
> > entity
> > DD> reference. Pretty much achieve what you do with <copy>, without the
> > trouble
> > DD> you're running into with properties. Check out the Ant FAQ for 
> details on
> > DD> entity including an XML fragment file.
> >
> > DD> You could also go with the embed proposal (that defines an <import> 
> tag),
> > DD> but that's a little more on the bleeding edge. --DD
> >
> > DD> -----Original Message-----
> > DD> From: Jacob Kjome [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > DD> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:29 PM
> > DD> To: Ant Users List
> > DD> Subject: loading build.properties before other properties when it 
> doesn't
> > DD> exist before building ...
> >
> > DD> Hi,
> >
> > DD> I have a project where we have sample files such as sample.web.xml or
> > DD> sample.build.properties.  I copy these files to a file of the same
> > DD> name minus the ".sample" prefix.  That is all working fine.  The
> > DD> problem is with the unique case of build.properties.
> >
> > DD> Normally, I load buld.properties first thing before defining other
> > DD> properties so that properties in the build file can be overridden by
> > DD> those in build.properties.  However, the target that runs the copy of
> > DD> sample.buld.properties to build.properties runs *after* all the
> > DD> properties would have been defined.  So, with a fresh CVS tree,
> > DD> running ant for the first time on my build file fails to load
> > DD> properties from build.properties because it does not exist yet.
> >
> > DD> Now, I would put the <copy> deal before
> > DD> <property file="build.properties"/>
> > DD> but the latter needs to be before all the properties are defined which
> > DD> aren't inside a target.  Since I can't put <copy> anywhere outside a
> > DD> <target> element, I can't make the copy happen before the rest of the
> > DD> properties are defined.
> >
> > DD> Is there a good way to deal with this situation other than, maybe,
> > DD> putting all the <property ...> definitions inside a <target ...>
> > DD> element, thereby allowing me to run the <copy ...> task to copy the
> > DD> sample.build.properties to build.properties then load it, then define
> > DD> all the other propeprties?
> >
> > DD> Jake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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