Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --------------------------------------------- [Via Communist Internet... http://www.egroups.com/group/Communist-Internet ] [Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] . . ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles F. Moreira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <mailto:Undisclosed-Recipient:@relay8.jaring.my> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: [MLL] The other side of the coin Folks, While the US-imperialist media invoke anger, hatred, revulsion and pity with constantly running replays of the carnage, destruction and suffering or victims of the attack on the World Trade Centre, and while both mainstream and alternative Malaysian media splash their pages with huge colour pictures of the carnage and destruction, and carry hawkish pronouncements by president George Bush, ask yourselves whether they showed you the carnage, destruction and suffering of civilians killed in US/NATO and US/UN imperialist bombardment of against Iraq and Yugoslavia. And don't forget the suffering of Iraqis, especially children from the effects of cruel sanctions imposed on that country. It seems like its "OK" for the US and its imperialist allies to kill and main civilians to serve their imperialist agenda, while they scream like pariah dogs scalded by hot water when they get a taste of their own medicine. Take a moment to ponder on the facts below. BTW. Have you ever considered the possibility that the recent attacks on the WTC could have been carried out by supporters of Timothy McVeigh to avenge his death? Charles F. Moreira ================================= American Mass-Murders: Invulnerable No More Via NY Transfer News * All the News That Doesn't Fit American Mass Murderers - Invulnerable No More "For fifty-six years Washington has successfully conducted mass murders of noncombatant civilians from the air with no fear of retaliation." - by William Mandel The attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center are the most important event in world history since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The disappearance of the USSR ended a half century in which two powers dominated the world. The casualties in New York, Washington, and in the skies made an end to the belief that the United States could continue waging wars costing us no blood, whether in no-fly zones over Iraq, in Kosovo, or anywhere else on any continent. For fifty-six years Washington has successfully conducted mass murders of noncombatant civilians from the air with no fear of retaliation. In 1945, when Japan could no longer strike back, there was Hiroshima, 75,000 killed. Then Nagasaki, 40,000 killed. The Korean War cost that country, with no possible means of harming the United States, 4,000,000 dead [Encyclopedia Brittanica] versus 34,000 Americans, or more than 100 Koreans per American. Most of the Korean deaths were caused by American carpet bombing (white phosphorus, napalm, explosives)to break the will to resist, and therefore were predominantly civilian. The numbers in the Vietnam War were of the same orders of magnitude."Desert Storm" has slaughtered Iraqi children in immense numbers since the end of the fighting, due to the embargo against necessities. Until now the vast majority of Americans have clucked their tongues over these things and gone about their business. No more. The deaths in the collapsed New York towers may approach the number in Nagasaki, as the people normally employed and visiting has been given as 50,000. The super-expensive, space and information age espionage technology of the National Security Agency, as well as the more conventional activities of the CIA and FBI are now the laughing stock of the world. As to the Defense Intelligence Agency in the Pentagon, I wonder if it was accidental that the plane striking that building hit exactly the section where that agency was housed. There is simply nothing Washington can do to restore the situation existing before this morning. Even if it decides to blame Saddam Hussein, and nukes Baghdad off the fact of the earth, it will accomplish nothing in a world of suicide bombers and underground organizations capable of working in complete secrecy and with perfect coordination. The astonishing secrecy and coordination of the attacks make the National Security Agency, the CIA, the FBI, and American military intelligence the laughing stock of the world. Undoubtedly U.S."intelligence"(?!) operations will be multiplied. That guarantees absolutely nothing. The Korean War was accompanied by the rise of McCarthyism. It is possible that today's events may bring similar hysteria and suppression of civil liberties. Not only would that further diminish the civil liberties that are one of this country's proudest achievements, but by so doing it would reduce the ability of the citizenry to ask the necessary questions about the policies responsible for the hatred of the United States expressed in this catastrophe. The time has come to realize that the motivation that brought about our Revolutionary War in 1776 is the strongest single force active in the world today. Peoples will be independent, no matter what Washington, Wall Street, and Silicon Valley want to do with and in their countries. The United States must either adapt to that or suffer the fate of ancient Rome. William Mandel, Oakland, California (37 years [1958-1995] on Pacifica Radio stations [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.billmandel.net/ ================================================================= NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ================================================================= nytcov-09.12.01-17:50:42-12448 ***** from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: NYT:What we learn from Attacks -Global Exchange Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:13:02 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What We Can Learn from the Attacks - Global Exchange To: undisclosed-recipients:; What We Can Learn from the Attacks - Global Exchange Via NY Transfer News * All the News That Doesn't Fit source - Kevin Danaher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What We Can Learn from the September 11 Attacks The September 11 attack on the United States is a political gift to the far right. There are already calls for more militarization, bigger CIA budgets (even though the CIA helped create the Taliban in Afghanistan!), foreign policy aggressiveness and restriction of civil rights. It brings out the worst and the best in the population: the best in the form of people helping in search and rescue, giving blood, and coming together to pray for and raise money for the victims' families; the worst in the hostility toward Arab-Americans and a knee-jerk demand to bomb some foreign country that most Americans could not find on a map. The attacks will set back the social justice movement in the U.S. for a period of time that is impossible to estimate. Those of us working to move U.S. foreign policy in a progressive direction have had our efforts set back at a time when we were making headway developing a detailed critique of the neoliberal economic model and corporate power. The definition of a paradox is something that appears contradictory on the surface but actually makes perfect sense when you get a deeper understanding of the facts. The paradox in this case is that authoritarian forces in the USA will be strengthened by an act of terrorism by foreign authoritarians opposed to US power in the world. They may have been acting out of desperation for a way to influence US policy, but they have influenced it in a way that sets back the efforts of those sectors of US society who have been working the hardest to establish more humane policies abroad and domestically. There will be massive US retaliation abroad, which will entail major loss of innocent life. There will probably be a crackdown on civil liberties domestically. And the Bush administration will not feel much need to justify it all to the public because the public has been numbed by the horror of the TV images, followed by national security officials and "man in the street" interviews calling for foreign blood to be spilled. This is a situation that will test our moral reserves. As US citizens we benefit materially from living in the most powerful country in the world. With that privilege comes a responsibility to understand US foreign policy, its history, its effects on people and the environment, and what we can do to make it better. This large-scale educational project is one of the most sensible and compassionate things we can do to get at the roots of all terrorism, whether perpetrated by small groups or large nations. We can show respect for the innocent civilians who died on September 11, 2001 by taking world affairs more seriously, studying, debating, and getting control over our government agencies and corporations which (whether we like it or not) represent "America" out there in the rest of the world. And we should always remember, you don't fight fire with fire, you fight it with water. And you don't fight hate with hate, you fight it with love. ================================================================= NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ================================================================= nytact-09.12.01-22:13:00-5454 " JC _______________________________________________ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ------------------------------------------------- This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^================================================================ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: [email protected] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
