HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK ---------------------------
Oh no it's not back to the "State Capitalism" argument again is it! It is even more ludicrous to argue this because Cuba etc. have wages, money, a stste etc. it is farcical to argue every country on earth is a part of the capitalist systerm. --- John Tomson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > --------------------------- > > Hi Barry &all > > Barry Stoller wrote: > > The WSM sucks! > > Wow. What a way to get taken seriously. > According to your logic then, you must blow. > > > > The WSM criticize all actual socialism, supporting > only the > 'socialist > > ideal.' > > > What you think is actual socialism is a big fat lie. > Wake and smell the > > state capitalism. If you bothered to look into our > case, you would see > that we hold socialism attempted in one region or > country is doomed to > failure. So lets get past blunder #1 in attacking > our case and discover > > what socialism really is and not what the american > media tell you it > is. > > > According to the 'Objectivists,' there is no > 'real' capitalism. It's > an > > 'unknown ideal' corrupted in practice by horrible > 'collectivists' > like > > Bill Clinton. Only when there are no, absolutely > NO, restrictions on > > capital whatsoever -- child slavery, the works -- > then, and only > then, > > will the 'real' thing occur. Until then, it's only > 'degenerated' or > > 'deformed' capitalism. > > > > Get the comparison here? > > No, because invent our position and them condemn it > by association all > in > one breath. > > We could care less about Rand and the objectivists > opinions of > capitalism. If you want to commit the logical > suicide of attempting to > dismiss our case just because in your mind we > resemble a group you do > not like, then by all means go ahead. The crickets > will be your > audience. > We don't wish for the purest form of socialism, we > work for socialism, > which has not and does not exist anywhere on earth. > What is called > "socialism" or "communism" is really just > totalitarian state > capitalism. > In ChinaCubaKoreaUSSR, etc they still > - have money > - have a state > - work for wages > therefore what is going on in those places is not > socialism at all. > Every > country in the world is part of the capitalist > system. The management > styles differ, but they are all capitalist. > > > > The point: if we reject the crap Ayn Rand line > posited above as sorry > > utopian apologetics, then, following that > rejection, we must also > reject > > the same when it is practiced by leftists and > 'leftists.' > > > You can do what ever you want to do and sound like > some network tv > political pundit while you are doing it. If you > think you are going to > dismiss our case with a single wave of your logical > wand, without even > bothering to find out the most fundamental > principles of our > organization (you even used utopian as an > insult...puhleeez), then I > have no choice but to guffaw in your general > direction and hand you > your > troll certificate. We've been around since 1904 for > gawds sake! > > By the way, we are not leftists. We do not fit the > traditional > political spectrum which gauges the government's > involvement in the > lives of people because we don't want any > government. It's pretty plain > > you know very little of what we stand for and prefer > to make glaring > and > erroneous assumptions. > > > > Capitalism has a history -- a history in the real > world -- and that > > history forms its critique AND its support. > > > You are right here. > > > > Likewise, socialism has a history -- a history in > the real world -- > and > > that history forms its critique AND its support. > > > You are silly here. > > > > To criticize WITHOUT acknowledging ANY support is > to clearly take the > > other side. > > > Then why did you do it? > > jt > > www.worldsocialism.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for > all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: [email protected] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
