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Stephen, Granted, your point about Margolis is well taken. Yet, did you have to turn this into a personal issue? David O.Q Stephen Gowans wrote: > Rick, > > I've never read a single column written by Eric Margolis, and nor I have > ever dipped into his book, (what is it called -- War at the Top of the > World?), and that may be because, being Canadian, I'm more familiar with > the > Toronto Sun (Margolis's paper) than others are, and so I know what to > expect. But if you keep going on about him, I swear I'll read him. > > You've created an impression, unintended I'm sure, which only those > inclined > to submit to intellectual bullying will tolerate: that only the > incissive > wit of the didactic Rick Rozoff can protect the dull and lumbering minds > of > the rest of us from being able to sort nonsense from truth, > misinformation > from untainted information. "No need to read Margolis. Rick's already > done > that for us. There are others, more worthy of reading, Rick says, who > make > the same points. What a handy guy Rick is to have around to do our > thinking > for us." > > Can one be blamed for expecting you'll next present a list of proscribed > and > prescribed journalists and columnists, followed by an enemies lists, > comprised of names of people who have disagreed with you on some matter > in > the past, (but of course you'll do it in a courtly way, as is your wont, > leaving the uttering of imprecations and name-calling to the snarling > Mart, > who has a penchant for that kind of thing)? > > Your importuning others not to post Margolis because it gives him > credibility strikes me as nonsensical, and objectionable. Presumably, he > was > posted by whoever posted him because the poster liked Margolis's ideas > on > some topic, (and the post wasn't on the Balkans or socialism or Canada's > health care system.) This blanket dismissing of people as agents of > misinformation or for disagreeing with you on some other matter (the > Balkans) and not for what they say on an ad rem matter amounts to > nothing > more than ad hominem argument, and is no different from dismissing > others on > grounds they're --- oh my gosh! -- communists, or anarchists, or > authoritarian, or conspiracy theorists, or Wicans, or those crazy people > fro > m Emperor's Clothes. Maybe we can put everyone into boxes, and all carry > on > our discussions within our own ever shrinking, marginalized worlds, as > we > all descend into a paranoid lunacy about those who surround us being CIA > operatives, agents of misinformation, and PsyOps specialists. Who is > Margolis? ANTINATO's own Emanuel Goldstein, on whom we're to vent our > two > minutes of hate? > > Your intolerance, I fear, will only guarantee that what you can't > tolerate > prevails, like all those town fathers who thought they could protect > young > impressionable minds from the filth of Flaubert and Miller and Lawrence, > or > the subversiveness of Brecht, by urging librarians not to give "our > enemies" credibility by carrying their books. > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Rozoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:25 AM > Subject: Re: Cowboy Prez rides to rescue? - Columnist Eric Margolis > [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > --------------------------- > > > > Dear Friends, > > For anyone not already acquainted with > > the fact, Eric Margolis is a Western disinformation > > agent who boasts, inter alia, of smuggling rockets > > into the Afghan mujahedin in the 1980s and possessing > > a host of intelligence contacts, including with the > > CIA. > > A quick Google search with the words "Eric Margolis > > socialism" will demonstrate with whom we're dealing. > > There is nothing remotely enlightened or progressive > > about this individual, notwithstanding the fact that > > his columns, from the very establishment Toronto Star > > where he is the official foreign correspondent, have > > been crossposted and linked on several US > > 'progressive' sites fairly regularly of late. > > In fact, the only time he criticizes Western > > militarism, aside from goading it into being more > > aggressive (e.g. "Stopping Europe's New Nazis" and > > "Serbia Needs Moral Cleansing"), is when one of his > > presumed co-religionists is under fire. > > As such he operates on a personal, and hardly > > political or principled, agenda. > > Other people are making the same points he is on > > Afghanistan, Iraq and so forth; there's no need to > > provide this enemy of ours with more exposure and > > authority than his contacts in the intelligence > > community have already succeeded in doing. > > Respectfully, > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Nicholas Camerota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > <HR> > > <html> > > <PRE><A > > HREF="HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK";>HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK</A> > > ---------------------------</PRE> > > > > <div style='background-color:'><FONT face="Verdana, > > Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"><STRONG><EM>Toronto > > Sun</EM></STRONG></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, > > Arial, Sans-serif"> March 24, 2002 </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, > > Sans-serif" size=5><STRONG>Cowboy president rides to > > the rescue </STRONG></FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif">By > > ERIC MARGOLIS <EM>-- Contributing Foreign Editor > > </EM></FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">A powerful car bomb explosion on Thursday > > near the U.S. Embassy in Lima, killing nine and > > wounding 30, was a disturbing prelude to the visit to > > Peru this weekend of President George Bush, who has > > vowed to "fight terrorism around the world." </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, Monospace">Bush > > declared he wouldn't be put off by "two-bit > > terrorists." But the suspected bombers, the notorious > > Sendero Luminoso, or Shining Path, are anything but > > "two-bit" terrorists. The Sendero has battled fiercely > > for three decades to impose a Marxist dictatorship on > > Peru patterned on Enver Hoxha's crazy Stalinist > > Albania and Pol Pot's nightmare Cambodia. </FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">Back in 1985, I was the first North > > American journalist to interview Peru's then newly > > elected president, Alan Garcia. I asked him how his > > government was coping with the Sendero Luminoso, whose > > guerrillas were terrorizing the Andes, waging urban > > guerrilla warfare, and had almost brought the > > government to its knees. </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, Monospace">"I can > > assure you," Garcia said, "the security situation is > > completely under control." Moments later, two mortar > > shells exploded outside the presidential palace. > > Garcia shrugged and gave a sheepish smile. </FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">Peru's last president, the tough > > authoritarian Alberto Fujimori, now in exile in Japan > > and plotting a return, had nearly crushed the Sendero > > and another dangerous Marxist guerrilla group, the > > pro-Cuban Tupac Amaru. But after Fujimori was replaced > > by the softer, more leftward leaning Alejandro Toledo, > > Sendero regrouped and appears to be renewing its war > > against the U.S.-backed government in Lima. </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, Monospace">This > > time, the Sendero is being fuelled by a steady inflow > > of drug money. Following the example of Colombia's > > Marxist FARC and ELN narco-guerrilla armies, the > > Sendero earns tens of millions annually protecting > > Peru's expanding cocaine industry. The Bush > > administration's efforts to combat the drug trade in > > Colombia through spraying toxic pesticides and > > attacking processing labs have merely pushed the > > underground drug industry across the jungled borders > > into Ecuador and Peru. </FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV></DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">TOTAL FAILURE </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, Monospace">The > > much-vaunted U.S. war on drugs has proven a total > > failure in Latin America. The flow of cocaine and > > heroin into the U.S. has not been reduced, in spite of > > billions spent to block the flood of narcotics. > > Ironically, the only nation where the U.S. war on > > drugs did work was in Afghanistan - thanks to its > > former Taliban regime. According to the UN drug > > control agency, the Taliban virtually halted > > cultivation and trade of heroin-producing opium > > poppies. Afghanistan supplied 80% of Europe's heroin > > and about 60% of America's. The American invasion and > > overthrow of the Taliban handed power to the > > Russian-backed Northern Alliance, which fully revived > > the heroin trade and now controls 90% of drug exports. > > </FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, Monospace">In > > Afghanistan, Bush's so-called war against terrorism > > collided head-on with his war against drugs. The > > latter lost. The Northern Alliance, the real power > > behind the U.S.-installed Karzai regime in Kabul, pays > > its fighters and buys its arms from the Russians with > > heroin money. The U.S. simply turned a blind eye to > > large-scale drug dealing by its new Afghan allies, > > just as it did in South Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, > > Central America and, for years, Mexico. </FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">The White House is now under increasing > > pressure to increase the $1 billion in U.S. aid to > > Colombia and switch from assisting a campaign against > > coca producers to all-out combat operations against > > FARC and ELN guerrillas. The Colombian government's > > inept 136,000-man army has been unable to defeat the > > FARC's and ELF's roughly 20,000 Marxist guerrillas, so > > the U.S. is now being asked by Bogota for combat > > troops and fleets of helicopters. An expanded war in > > Colombia would quickly spill over into Ecuador, Peru > > and possibly into Panama and Venezuela, all > > economically stressed and politically shaky nations. > > </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">Growing instability and violence in > > northern Latin America will challenge the Bush > > administration's plans to launch a large crusade > > against Iraq, and smaller ones against the diverse > > Muslim groups opposed to American influence, or those > > fighting for independence from oppressive rule - all > > simplistically lumped together by Bush as > > "terrorists." </FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV></DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">Just two weeks ago in Afghanistan, the U.S. > > lost eight soldiers and dropped 3,300 expensive > > precision bombs against will-o-the-wisp opponents in a > > failed battle in the Shah-i-Kot Valley (shades of > > Vietnam's IaDrang Valley battles). America's arsenals > > are depleted; its military forces stretched thin - and > > the crusade against the nefarious "axis of evil" > > hasn't even been launched yet. </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">The 19th century American cynic, Ambrose > > Bierce, observed that Americans learn their geography > > from wars. Six months before becoming president, > > George Bush couldn't name the leader of Pakistan - > > whom he today hails as a champion of democracy and > > America's new best friend. This weekend, the > > non-geographic president will begin to discover the > > complexities of long-neglected Latin America. He will > > no doubt discover the continent is rich in new > > "terrorists," as the Lima bombing amply demonstrated. > > </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">Terrorists in Peru and Colombia. Plotting > > Cubans. Islamic fanatics in Pakistan, Afghanistan, > > Yemen, the Philippines, Indonesia, Somalia, Sudan, > > Syria, Lebanon, Libya, the West Bank and Gaza, Iran, > > Iraq, Bosnia, Kashmir, Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria, > > Central Asia, Chechnya, Georgia, Saudi Arabia and the > > Gulf states, Egypt and Paraguay. America's enemies are > > everywhere. Even in Detroit and Brooklyn. </FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV><FONT face="Courier New, Courier, > > Monospace">Bush says he will defend America by > > fighting them all. But, as Frederick the Great rightly > > noted, "He who defends everything, defends nothing." > > </FONT> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <P><STRONG><FONT face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, > > Sans-serif">Eric can be reached by e-mail at > > </FONT></STRONG><A > > href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";><STRONG><FONT > > face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, > > Sans-serif">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></STRONG></A><FONT > > face="Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Sans-serif"><STRONG>. > > </STRONG></FONT></P> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV></DIV> > > <DIV></DIV>. > > <DIV></DIV><EM>Copyright © 2002, Canoe, a division of > > Netgraphe Inc.</EM></div><br clear=all><hr>Get your > > FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a > > href='http://g.msn.com/1HM305401/13'>http://explorer.msn.com</a>.<br> > > <PRE>--------------------------- > > ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST</PRE> > > > > > > > > </html> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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