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Of course. They save the Mossad the trouble. Hence, they identify 'the culprits' and the Mossad does the killing. David O Q To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] Date sent: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:23:55 +0800 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > --------------------------- > > Comrades, > > David O Q asked:- > > > What are you getting at? > > David O Q > > Whether the bourgeois/imperialist media deliberately set out to protect > their identities. It's curious why I haven't seen even one picture of these > "art students" etc when I've seen too many pictures of alleged Arab > "terrorists," "shoe bombers," "dirty bombers," etc. > > Charles > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > From: Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies? > [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > Date sent: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:25:51 +0800 > > Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > Comrades, > > > > > > An interesting thing is I've yet to see a picture of even one of the 50 > or > > > 60 Israeli "art students" and these guys. > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 9:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies? > [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] > > > > > > > > > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 11:29:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > > > Is this the entire article? > > > > > > No. > > > > > > The White Van > > > Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies? > > > > > > > > > June 21 �" Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center > > > attacks, > > > and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw > > > something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young > > > Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence. > > > > > > > > > Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World > Trade > > > Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor > > > calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.She grabbed her > > > binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But > as > > > she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.Maria says she > saw > > > three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot > of > > > her > > > apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.The > men > > > were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center > > > burning > > > in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on > the > > > men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look > shocked to > > > me. I thought it was very strange," she said. She found the behavior so > > > suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and > > > called > > > the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide > > > bulletin was issued on the van. The plate number was traced to a van > owned > > > by > > > a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was > > > spotted > > > on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A > police > > > officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years > old, > > > in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and > handcuffed > > > by police. The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their > > > suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden > in > > > his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was > found > > > in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when > the > > > five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens. �~We Are Not Your > Problem > > > �T > > > According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers > they > > > had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" �" > > > referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan > > > Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. > Your > > > problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other > > > passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and > > > Omer > > > Marmari. When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred > out > > > of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign > > > Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, > > > ABCNEWS has learned. One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was > > > that > > > the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an > Israeli > > > intelligence operation. After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a > > > warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices. The FBI > > > searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of > > > documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned > Urban > > > Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the > > > FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few > days > > > later, he was gone. Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the > > > inside > > > of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in > a > > > big > > > hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still > connected; > > > and > > > the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse. The owner > had > > > also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned > > > with > > > his family to Israel. �~A Scary Situation�TSteven Gordon, the attorney > for the > > > five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. > 11 > > > would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are > > > taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're > > > speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got > a > > > wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary > situation." > > > But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had > come > > > to > > > America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were > > > taking pictures of the event. The five Israelis were held at the > > > Metropolitan > > > Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist > visas > > > and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their > arrest, an > > > immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS > that > > > FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case. The five men > > > were > > > held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in > > > solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as > > > seven lie-detector tests. 'Plenty of Speculation'Since their arrest, > plenty > > > of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were > doing > > > that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in > New > > > York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli > > > intelligence operatives. Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations > for > > > counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said > > > federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of > the > > > men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database. > > > Israeli Intelligence Connection?According to Cannistraro, many people in > the > > > U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were > > > working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation > as > > > to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of > > > launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the > area, > > > particularly in the New Jersey-New York area." Under this scenario, the > > > alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at > > > penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in > > > Muslim > > > communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where > several > > > of > > > the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11. For the FBI, > > > deciphering > > > the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, > Paul > > > Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks �" then > failed it, > > > according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had > been > > > reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli > > > intelligence in another country. Sources say the Israelis were targeting > > > these fund-raising networks because they were thought to be channeling > money > > > to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the > > > suicide bombings in Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very > > > concerned > > > about the activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that > could > > > be a support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.The > men > > > denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the > New > > > Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, > dismissed > > > the > > > allegations as "stupid and ridiculous." Mark Regev, the spokesman for > the > > > Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further, asserting the issue > was > > > never even discussed with U.S. officials."These five men were not > involved > > > in > > > any intelligence operation in the United States, and the American > > > intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us," Regev > said. > > > "The story is simply false." No �~Pre-Knowledge�TDespite the denials, > sources > > > tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not > the > > > young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that > some > > > of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told > > > ABCNEWS, > > > "To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this > country > > > had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11." Sources also said that even if > the > > > men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance > knowledge > > > of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of > the > > > day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the > > > cross-checking, > > > the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance > > > knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted. As to what they were doing on the > > > van, > > > they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn't see it > from > > > thei > > > r offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has > been > > > able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with > the > > > towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the > lawyers > > > for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature > conduct. > > > According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials > worked > > > out a deal �" and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of > jail, > > > put > > > on a plane, and deported back home. While the former detainees refused > to > > > answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing > on > > > Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America > on > > > an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, > denying > > > that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact > of > > > the > > > matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. > Our > > > purpose was to document the event." ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, > > > Glenn > > > Silber and Chris Vlasto contributed to this report. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > > > ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST > > > > > > --------------------------- > > > ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > > ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST > > --------------------------- ANTI-NATO INFORMATION LIST ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: [email protected] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.bacIlu Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
