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Ralph Nader interviewPublished on Sunday, June 16, 2002 in the New York Times
Questions for Ralph Nader
Give Them the Business
by David WallisQ. Following Enron's collapse, you vowed to make the phrase ''corporate
reform'' ring throughout our land. Yet the
public seems to have reacted with resignation rather than with revulsion. To
quote Bob Dole, ''Where's the outrage?''It comes from a deep sense of powerlessness. When you feel powerless, your
attitude reflects apathy, withdrawal,
resignation, and that is a telltale sign of the degree to which our
democracy has declined in the last 20, 25 years.Why is it that, comparatively, the so-called welfare queens of the Reagan
years provoked much more anger on Main
Street than white-collar criminals do now?This outrage was fueled by people like Reagan. There are not many top
politicians
who are fueling outrage against corporate crime and white-collar crime, so
that's
one difference. The second difference is that people can identify with
someone
who's ripping off welfare, i.e., their taxes, rather than a very complex
corporate
scheme, off-the-books partnerships, that are very remote. There is plenty of
outrage out there, but the political system is not organized, because the
political
system is funded by corporate interests.Tyco's C.E.O. was just indicted for failing to pay sales tax on paintings
worth $13
million. He's also going to get a huge severance package.Like all of them. When C.E.O.'s are expelled they get huge payments -- for
not
doing their job they get rewarded! Ovitz gets thrown out of Disney and gets
$100
million. The head of Columbia/HCA, a health-care company, got $10 million.
It's all
hush money. I would like to give shareholders the right to determine how
much
they want to pay their employees at the top. You can be sure that
shareholders
would never approve these crazy, wild, huge compensation packages that have
nothing to do with performance.What product on the market today makes you think Corvair every time you see
it?McDonald's double cheeseburgers, a weapon of mass destruction.
You've blasted corporate America for ''commercializing everything it
touches.'' What strikes you as the most obscene
example of commercialization?The commercialization of childhood is truly the most offensive. Basically,
corporations have decided that kids under 12
are a lucrative market, and they sell directly to them, subverting parental
authority. The idea is to reach these millions
of kids who are in a vulnerable, impressionable state, even starting at 2,
3, 4 years old, to get them to nag their parents
to buy the products. What are they selling these kids? Bad diets, fat and
sugar, teaching them to be addicts. They are
addicting them to watching 30, 40 hours of screens -- video, television,
computer screens. The commercialization of
childhood is a pervasive form of electronic child molestation.Has anyone ever approached you to become a TV pitchman?
Years ago, someone wanted to put my name on a chain of restaurants.
McNader's? Is there any product that you would endorse?
Southwest Airlines. Superb airline. The lowest fares, the highest profits,
the best service.You go to great pains to deny that you cost Al Gore the election. Why not
just say: ''I cost Al Gore the election, and I'm
proud of it. I persuaded the Democratic Party to take notice of
progressives.''Did Tennessee cost Gore the election? Did Gore's performance on the debates
cost Gore the election? There are a lot
of what ifs. It's a sterile debate. The whole thing was satirized
beautifully in a cartoon, which showed George W. Bush
looking at a guy holding up a sign: ''A Vote for Nader Is a Vote for Bush.''
And Bush says: ''Really? I think I'll vote for
Nader.''Are you more or less optimistic than you were when you came to Washington at
age 29?I am not afflicted by optimism or pessimism. They are not in my lexicon. I'm
not in the mood game, because moods
affect your output, and the thing is, you must keep striving because there
is no alternative to striving for greater justice.At 68, you can say that age has not mellowed you one bit?
Why should it? Experience informs one's judgment. Judgment is very
motivational.Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company
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