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Kamel's statement casts into new light the claims made by the Iraqi government that it 
destroyed its non-conventional weapons in the period immediately after the end of the 
Gulf War.

This topic remains highly potent, with Hans Blix declaring that

"[o]ne of three important questions before us today is how much might remain 
undeclared and intact from before 1991" (statement of 27 January 2003 to the Security 
Council).

If Kamel is to be taken as seriously as the UK and US administrations have previously 
held him to be, then his claim that "[a]ll weapons - biological, chemical, missile, 
nuclear were destroyed" should be taken seriously.

 

The interview with Hussein Kamel

Analysis of the "Sensitive" UNSCOM/IAEA Document

by Glen Rangwala


http://middleeastreference.org.uk/ 27 February 2003.

www.globalresearch.ca   28 February 2003

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RAN302B.html

The interview with Hussein Kamel: the text of the UNSCOM/IAEA transcript is here

Gen. Hussein Kamel, the former director of Iraq's Military Industrialization 
Corporation, in charge of Iraq's weapons programme, defected to Jordan on the night of 
7 August 1995, together with his brother Col. Saddam Kamel. Hussein Kamel took crates 
of documents revealing past weapons programmes, and provided these to UNSCOM. Iraq 
responded by revealing a major store of documents that showed that Iraq had begun an 
unsuccessful crash programme to develop a nuclear bomb (on 20 August 1995). Hussein 
and Saddam Kamel agreed to return to Iraq, where they were assassinated (23 February 
1996).

The interview was conducted in Amman on 22 August 1995, 15 days after Kamel left Iraq. 
His interviewers were:

Rolf Ekeus, the former executive chairman of Unscom (from 1991 to 1997). Professor 
Maurizio Zifferero, deputy director of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) 
and head of the inspections team in Iraq. Nikita Smidovich, a Russian diplomat who led 
UNSCOM's ballistic missile team and former Deputy Director for Operations of UNSCOM. 
During the interview, Major Izz al-Din al-Majid (transliterated as Major Ezzeddin) 
joins the discussion (p.10). Izz al-Din is Saddam Hussein's cousin, and defected 
together with the Kamel brothers. He did not return with them to Iraq in 1996, moving 
instead to Jordan and now to an unknown European country.

In the transcript of the interview, Kamel states categorically:

"I ordered destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons - biological, chemical, 
missile, nuclear were destroyed" (p. 13).

Kamel specifically discussed the significance of anthrax, which he portrayed as the 
"main focus" of the biological programme (pp.7-8). Smidovich asked Kamel: "were 
weapons and agents destroyed?"

Kamel replied: "nothing remained".

He confirmed that destruction took place "after visits of inspection teams. You have 
important role in Iraq with this. You should not underestimate yourself. You are very 
effective in Iraq." (p.7)

Kamel added: "I made the decision to disclose everything so that Iraq could return to 
normal." (p.8)

Furthermore, Kamel describes the elimination of prohibited missiles: "not a single 
missile left but they had blueprints and molds for production. All missiles were 
destroyed." (p.8)

On VX, Kamel claimed: "they put it in bombs during last days of the Iran-Iraq war. 
They were not used and the programme was terminated." (p.12).

Ekeus asked Kamel: "did you restart VX production after the Iran-Iraq war?"

Kamel replied: "we changed the factory into pesticide production. Part of the 
establishment started to produce medicine [...] We gave insturctions [sic] not to 
produce chemical weapons." (p.13).

Despite the significance of these claims, it was not known that Kamel made this 
assertion until February 2003. Kamel's claim was first carried on 24 February 2003 by 
Newsweek, who reported that Kamel told U.N. inspectors that Iraq had destroyed its 
entire stockpile of chemical and biological weapons and banned missiles, as Iraq 
claims (Newsweek, 3/3/03). Newsweek reported that the weapons were destroyed secretly, 
in order to hide their existence from inspectors, in the hopes of someday resuming 
production after inspections had finished. The CIA and MI6 were told the same story, 
Newsweek reported.

However, these facts were "hushed up by the U.N. inspectors" in order to "bluff Saddam 
into disclosing still more", according to Newsweek.

CIA spokesman Bill Harlow angrily denied the Newsweek report. "It is incorrect, bogus, 
wrong, untrue," Harlow told Reuters the day the report appeared (Reuters, 24 February 
2003).

On Wednesday (26 February 2003), a complete copy of the Kamel transcript -- an 
internal UNSCOM/IAEA document stamped "sensitive" -- was obtained by Glen Rangwala.

The Significance of Hussein Kamel Kamel's departure from Iraq was the major turning 
point of the inspections saga. As UNSCOM said in their final substantive report:

" the overall period of the Commission's disarmament work must be divided into two 
parts, separated by the events following the departure from Iraq, in August 1995, of 
Lt. General Hussein Kamal".

(25 January 1999 letter to U.N. Security Council, Enclosure 1, para.12).

Kamel's defection has been cited repeatedly by President Bush and leading officials in 
both the UK and US as evidence that (1) Iraq has not disarmed; (2) inspections cannot 
disarm it; and (3) defectors such as Kamel are the most reliable source of information 
on Iraq's weapons.

Prime Minister Tony Blair in his statement to the House of Commons on 25 February 
2003, said: "It was only four years later after the defection of Saddam's son-in-law 
to Jordan, that the offensive biological weapons and the full extent of the nuclear 
programme were discovered."

President Bush declared in a 7 October 2002 speech: "In 1995, after several years of 
deceit by the Iraqi regime, the head of Iraq's military industries defected. It was 
then that the regime was forced to admit that it had produced more than 30,000 liters 
of anthrax and other deadly biological agents. The inspectors, however, concluded that 
Iraq had likely produced two to four times that amount. This is a massive stockpile of 
biological weapons that has never been accounted for, and capable of killing millions."

Colin Powell's 5 February 2003 presentation to the UN Security Council claimed: "It 
took years for Iraq to finally admit that it had produced four tons of the deadly 
nerve agent, VX. A single drop of VX on the skin will kill in minutes. Four tons. The 
admission only came out after inspectors collected documentation as a result of the 
defection of Hussein Kamal, Saddam Hussein's late son-in-law."

In a speech on 26 August 2002, Vice-President Dick Cheney said Kamel's story "should 
serve as a reminder to all that we often learned more as the result of defections than 
we learned from the inspection regime itself".

Hussein Kamel was not in the process of providing excuses for the Iraqi regime. Much 
of the interview is taken up with his criticisms of its mistakes: "They are only 
interested in themselves and not worried about economics or political state of the 
country. [..] I can state publicly I will work against the regime." (p.14). And yet, 
when it comes to prohibited weapons, Kamel is unequivocal: Iraq destroyed these 
weapons soon after the Gulf War.

The Significance of the Kamel Transcript The above quotes from President Bush, Prime 
Minister Blair and Secretary Powell refer to material produced by Iraq before the 1991 
Gulf War. The administration has cited various quantities of chemical and biological 
weapons on many other occasions -- weapons that Iraq produced but which remain 
unaccounted for. All of these claims refer to weapons produced before 1991. According 
to Kamel's transcript, Iraq destroyed all of these weapons in 1991.

Kamel's statement casts into new light the claims made by the Iraqi government that it 
destroyed its non-conventional weapons in the period immediately after the end of the 
Gulf War. This topic remains highly potent, with Hans Blix declaring that "[o]ne of 
three important questions before us today is how much might remain undeclared and 
intact from before 1991" (statement of 27 January 2003 to the Security Council). If 
Kamel is to be taken as seriously as the UK and US administrations have previously 
held him to be, then his claim that "[a]ll weapons - biological, chemical, missile, 
nuclear were destroyed" should be taken seriously.


 This briefing was produced by Glen Rangwala of Cambridsge University, UK. Thanks to 
Seth Ackerman of FAIR for his assistance in putting it together. Copyright  Glen 
Rangwala 2003. For fair use only/ pour usage �quitable seulement .

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