On Monday, July 6, 2015, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am of course less of the marketing or advertising guru than you are when > it comes to thinking up a track description that will drive sales of > ApacheCon tickets through the roof, but yes; it can use a combover to add a > bit more of the appropriate buzzwords to give it that extra pizazz and > umpfh that will make such happen. Luckily there is still quite some time > available before the event starts to come up with that. > > Track names are not that important, because they are not really part of the marketing That said track names works best if they are a single word or two, otherwise they do not really fit on the monitors. I think many of the talks Pierre have found are both relevant and interesting, but sitting with the schedule I can see how big the conflict with the community track is. My preference right now is to have 2 community tracks one each day. We can still use the text about the track, in our internal marketing, but please do not forget this is a LF event, and marketing is their responsibility not ours (even though we of course help). Actually there are not quite some time. I have to get the schedule finished in a day or two, for several reasons: - so presentors having talks that belong to big data have a change to submit for big data - so presentors accepted have a chance to apply for travel assistance if needed - so LF (and sally) can start marketing based on the actual program I do think some of Pierre´s ideas is really worth thinking more about, and maybe split the community track in vancouver in "the traditional" and a possible "future". rgds jan i > Best regards,. > > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:36 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < > ross.gard...@microsoft.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > This is a great goal. The track description doesn't concert this goal, so > > if suggest it is the description that is problematic rather than the > really > > selection. > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > ________________________________ > > From: Pierre Smits<mailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > > Sent: 7/5/2015 4:15 PM > > To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org <javascript:;><mailto: > apachecon-discuss@apache.org <javascript:;>> > > Subject: Re: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF > contributors > > and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities > > > > I am just trying to think outside of the paths traveled before. And come > up > > with new angles, that could increase attendance and thus potentially > > increase adoption of Apache products. Which can lead to more contributors > > and even better products. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:05 AM, jan i <j...@apache.org <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > > > On 6 July 2015 at 00:56, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > Of course you are entitled to your opinions (and I respect them) and > > > > advice the producer accordingly. > > > > > > > > > > We are all entitled to our opinions, but making each other understand > why > > > something does not work is even better. When you suggested the track, I > > > made you aware that it would be close to the community track, and at > > least > > > some will see it as an extension of the community track, therefore we > > need > > > to be more careful with the content than with e.g. the ofbiz track. > > > > > > I am not trying to diminish your work, but simply make sure all tracks > > work > > > together. > > > > > > keep up the good work. > > > rgds > > > jan i. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > > > Services and Retail & Trade > > > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:48 AM, jan i <j...@apache.org > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 6 July 2015 at 00:38, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Ross. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you're only inward looking, meaning how the visions of ASF > > > > > > contributors and the products of ASF projects can help other ASF > > > > projects > > > > > > in building their communities, then you are probably right. The > ASF > > > has > > > > > it > > > > > > structures and policies and such in place. > > > > > > > > > > > > But there is a multitude of other open source communities out > > there. > > > > And > > > > > > those can benefit from both the visions of ASF contributors and > ASF > > > > > > projects. This track - as already outlined earlier in another > > thread > > > - > > > > > can > > > > > > provide some coherence in that respect at the ApacheCon event. In > > the > > > > end > > > > > > it is all about attracting attendees, right? > > > > > > > > > > > No it is also about sending the right signals. When we give a > track a > > > > name > > > > > we also > > > > > set an expectation, and anything related to community will be seen > as > > > > > "apache > > > > > communities". > > > > > > > > > > Therefore I agree with Ross, which does not mean that these talks > > will > > > be > > > > > rejected, they > > > > > might fit in other tracks. > > > > > > > > > > Please also note, "the apache way" is part of the community track, > > that > > > > is > > > > > tradition. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > jan I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > > > > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > > > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > > > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > > > > > Services and Retail & Trade > > > > > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < > > > > > > ross.gard...@microsoft.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > To clarify my comment below. I'm not objecting to the talks, > I'm > > > > > > objecting > > > > > > > to the implication that they are a central part to ASF > community > > > > > > > development processes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)<mailto: > > > ross.gard...@microsoft.com <javascript:;>> > > > > > > > Sent: 7/5/2015 3:24 PM > > > > > > > To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org <javascript:;><mailto: > > > apachecon-discuss@apache.org <javascript:;> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Bertrand Delacretaz<mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org > <javascript:;>>; Nick > > > > > > Burch<mailto: > > > > > > > n...@apache.org <javascript:;>>; Sharan Foga<mailto: > sharan.f...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>; > > Maxim > > > > > > > Solodovnik<mailto:solomax...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>; Mike > Bates<mailto: > > > > > > > mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com <javascript:;>>; Angela > Brown<mailto: > > > > > > > ang...@linuxfoundation.org <javascript:;>>; Joan > Touzet<mailto: > > woh...@apache.org <javascript:;>> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF > > > > > > contributors > > > > > > > and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that " > > > > brings > > > > > > > together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to > > > > > > > build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease > > the > > > > day > > > > > > to > > > > > > > day operations." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in > > the > > > > > > > abstracts within the ASF. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Pierre Smits<mailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> > > > > > > > Sent: 7/5/2015 2:08 PM > > > > > > > To: apachecon-discuss@apache.org <javascript:;><mailto: > > > apachecon-discuss@apache.org <javascript:;> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Bertrand Delacretaz<mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org > <javascript:;>>; Nick > > > > > > Burch<mailto: > > > > > > > n...@apache.org <javascript:;>>; Sharan Foga<mailto: > sharan.f...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>; > > Maxim > > > > > > > Solodovnik<mailto:solomax...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>; Mike > Bates<mailto: > > > > > > > mike.ba...@hotwaxsystems.com <javascript:;>>; Angela > Brown<mailto: > > > > > > > ang...@linuxfoundation.org <javascript:;>>; Joan > Touzet<mailto: > > woh...@apache.org <javascript:;>> > > > > > > > Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF > > > > contributors > > > > > > and > > > > > > > ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HI All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above > > > > mentioned > > > > > > > potential track. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Introduction* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved > in > > > > > > > supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being > on > > > the > > > > > > fore > > > > > > > front of open source development its portfolio encompasses > > numerous > > > > > > > software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs > > in > > > > key > > > > > > > areas like presenting web pages, business processes, > development > > > and > > > > > big > > > > > > > data. > > > > > > > The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and > > > > organisations > > > > > > that > > > > > > > utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have > insights > > > that > > > > > can > > > > > > > help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And > > various > > > > > > products > > > > > > > of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those > > > communities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF > > > > philosophies > > > > > > to > > > > > > > build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease > > the > > > > day > > > > > > to > > > > > > > day operations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Talks* > > > > > > > #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the > > > > Apache > > > > > > Code > > > > > > > of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link: > > > > > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and > > > already > > > > > > > available in the communities of open source projects, how > project > > > > > > > management committees can attract talents and keep the entire > > > > community > > > > > > > happy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your > project? > > By > > > > > > > Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland > > > > > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This talk is about how to an open source community can measure > > and > > > > > guard > > > > > > > the healthiness of its project(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim > > > > Solodovnik > > > > > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This talks is about the Audio & Video Conferencing solution of > > the > > > > ASF > > > > > > that > > > > > > > can be used in the operational area of the open source project > > > and/or > > > > > its > > > > > > > supporting organisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By > > > Pierre > > > > > > Smits, > > > > > > > The Netherlands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the > > > > > contributor > > > > > > > base of the project(s) of an open source community and how > > > delegation > > > > > of > > > > > > > permissions management can ease the burden on those who make > > > anything > > > > > > > happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who > > is > > > > part > > > > > > of > > > > > > > which project and in what kind of role. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to > > > > disagree! > > > > > > By > > > > > > > Sharan Foga, Czech Republic > > > > > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to > code. > > > > > Opposing > > > > > > > viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to > > reach > > > > > > > consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a > > > > healthy > > > > > > > project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable > > compromise > > > > and > > > > > > > express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, > it > > > must > > > > > > also > > > > > > > be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not > > > > required > > > > > > > when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United > > Kingdom > > > > > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6168 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This talk explains how the biggest non profit proponent of open > > > > source > > > > > > > development came to its philosophies and brought contributors > all > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > world together to build some of the greatest open source > products > > > in > > > > > > > existence today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #7 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Practice, By Nick Burch United > > > Kingdom > > > > > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6169 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theory is relevant, but tales of experiences, lessons learned > > help > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > the theory that extra punch to get the message across. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #8 Talk 6107 - Bridging the Gap Between Enterprise Users and > Open > > > > > Source. > > > > > > > By Mike Bates, USA > > > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6107 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see this presentation as a potential driving force to > increase > > > the > > > > > > > adoption of Open Source solutions in general and of Apache > > products > > > > in > > > > > > > particular. After all, no open source project can exists > without > > > > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should you have questions and or remarks regarding this, feel > > free > > > to > > > > > > post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > > > > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > > > > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > > > > > > Services and Retail & Trade > > > > > > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
