>
> Just because we "can" add information, does not mean we "should".
>
Yes, I agree. But I think the "material" example that Hèctor raised (*for
instance, as a rule, Catalan preposition "de" is translated as "de" in
French, but if the following word is a material, "en" must be selected (de
fusta > en bois*) is a good one where the transfer (an improved one, for
sure) would also benefit on having that information available.
Missatge de Francis Tyers <fty...@prompsit.com> del dia dl., 15 de juny
2020 a les 18:45:
> El 2020-06-15 17:38, Hèctor Alòs i Font escribió:
> > Here come several practical examples. I tried to select them for their
> > variety. The result is more a wish list than something structured.
> >
> > Let's begin with "je la baise". Depending on the context this may be
> > "I kiss her" or "I fuck her". The context can tell us if we are in a
> > formal or colloquial type of language. Another issue is that in this
> > case the anaphora resolution can also help us: if the pronoun
> > reference is "hand", it can only be "kiss"; if it is a person, the
> > doubt persists.
> >
> > Another kind of problem is the Arpitan words "chamô" ("camel"; plural
> > "camels") and "chamôs ("chamois"; unchanged in plural). So,
> > translating into French, I got yesterday chamois in a Bible text of
> > Exodus xD I solved it deciding in a CG rule that all "chamôs"
> > (without nothing around in singular) are camels. (Similar cases in
> > French: fil/fils, foi/fois, cour/cours)
> >
> > In French there are plenty of words with different meanings, depending
> > on the genre: livre, page, tour, etc. The problem is that often the
> > immediate surrounding context does not disambiguate: des livres, les
> > pages, de tour, etc. A similar but slightly different case is the word
> > pairs homicide mf/homicide m, féminicide mf/féminicide m, parricide
> > mf/parricide, etc.: the one with the genre "mf" is a person and the
> > other is the action.
> >
> > Other problems come in lexical selection. For instance, as a rule,
> > Catalan preposition "de" is translated as "de" in French, but if the
> > following word is a material, "en" must be selected (de fusta > en
> > bois). So in the Catalan2French lrx file we have a list of materials,
> > as we have a list of countries, a list of musical instruments, a list
> > of animals, etc. I dream about a monolingual dictionary where we could
> > get this kind of information. It is not useful to have these lists for
> > many language pairs using Catalan. This information should be in
> > apertium-cat and not in every apertium-cat-xxx lrx file.
> >
> > Moreover, If we had words not only with different kind of semantic
> > labels, but also marked as synonyms, maybe it'd be possible to give a
> > translation using a word labeled as synonym (if it has a translation)
> > instead of "unknown".
> >
>
> These are excellent examples, I'm just about to go out, but will address
> them when I get back. Thanks for the ideas..
>
> Note that my suggestion was to include this information
> in the monolingual packages.
>
> Fran
>
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