Dear Jordi,
Thanks for sharing this. I hope we’ll hear more from you on this
important topic, at APNIC 44 coming up.
BTW, after IETF 98 in Chicago, George Michaelson blogged about the v6ops
session, here:
https://blog.apnic.net/2017/03/31/ietf-98-chicago-new-energy-ipv6-operations-wg/
Let’s all continue to share information about IPv6 ops, and IETF as
well, within the APNIC community.
All the best,
Paul.
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On 11 Jun 2017, at 19:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Hello all,
At the last LACNIC event, I mentioned on a couple of occasions the
need for ISPs in the region, especially small and medium-sized ones,
to participate in the decisions taken in the IETF IPv6 Operations
Working Group (v6ops). I’m sending this here as well, as I believe
the situation also apply to this region.
When I asked among the attendees how many participate in v6ops, only
one person raised his hand.
What does it mean to participate in the mailing list? Follow some
emails (sometimes only 1-2 a week, sometimes they can be several in a
day), and therefore learn about what is being discussed and give your
opinion and, given that decisions are made by Consensus, influence
them.
What consequences has NOT participating? That decisions against your
interests/opinions could be taken, and obviously do not consider your
perspective in the standards. Generally large operators are involved,
which implies that your interests are not sufficiently represented,
and in general are contrary to yours. Your "vote/opinion" is not worth
more than yours, but the big one is present and the small/medium NO!
I give you a very concrete example. The serious problem that small and
medium ISPs have, is to continue offering IPv6 and IPv4 services to
their customers, when they already do not have IPv4 addresses. Only
the biggest ISPs have a great purchasing power and can influence the
manufacturers to do for them what they need. One possibility to solve
it, extending the life of IPv4, but not necessarily deploying IPv6, is
using CGN, which is also very expensive, and breaks many things.
The solution is simple. Deploying IPv6-only services in the last mile,
which involves using transition mechanisms, such as 464XLAT that has
been deployed on millions of smartphones worldwide, so that
applications continue to operate transparently as they "believe" they
have IPv4.
What is the problem, then? That manufacturers of CPEs are based on an
old specification (RFC7084) that does not contemplate these transition
mechanisms, so when a small/medium ISP asks a manufacturer for a
firmware upgrade or a new CPE, they do not include that solution and
perhaps they offer it with an extra cost.
In my view, this should change, and that is why I am working on a
number of documents, including RFC7084-bis
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc7084-bis/), To
update this situation, but there is opposition from large ISPs and
virtually no small/medium "talks" about it, and in fact these large
ISPs deny the situation. In addition, the document also specifies the
"automated" support of those cases in which the user installs other
routers (which is very common as we all know, and will be more and
more in IPv6, IoT, etc.), behind the router installed by the ISP,
through homenet (HNCP).
I am not asking for your support for my documents, but for
understanding the problem and the solution that is being proposed
and/or possible new ones, and for the opinion of not only those very
few “big ones”, but also of many small and medium, who are most
affected.
If you want to subscribe to this list, search for "subscribing" at:
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops
You can see the files of the discussion in:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=v6ops
I remind you that participating in the IETF does not require a
presence in the meetings, as consensus is agreed in the list.
Regards,
Jordi
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