Aaron J. Seigo kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika sunnuntai, 28. toukokuuta 
2006 05:38):
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 19:44, Iñaki wrote:
> > El Domingo, 28 de Mayo de 2006 02:52, Aaron J. Seigo escribió:ow itself.
> >
> > PD: Sincerelly I prefer the first option (the original one), but it's
> > true that the second one shows better the relationship between tab and
> > location bar.
>
> at the cost of showing the relationship between the part's toolbar and the
> tab. imagine when the kpart has a forwards/backwards button like kpdf (nee,
> okular ;) does? no, i really think the separation is useful to us.
>
> keeping the common controls separate from the content-specific controls is
> a real win in mymind.

Another issue that IMHO should be taken into account here is that several 
options in the (at least current) konqueror menu are also tab specific (i.e. 
affect only the selected tab) and, when you really think about it, even the 
window title is tab specific. So if one were to group all _tab_ specific 
controls within each tab, the current konqueror GUI (and probably the whole 
GUI paradigm) would need a pretty complete overhaul (which might not 
necessarily be a bad thing, per se)
  The other option, which Aaron describes above, is to group the _content_ 
specific controls (i.e. the options, which vary depending on what's inside 
the current tab) below the tabs, as also illustrated by Iñaki's original web 
preview.

IMHO having the location bar and other tab-specific things outside the tab is 
clearly unintuitive (if you want an clear example of this, try using the 
MySQL Query Browser http://www.mysql.com/products/tools/query-browser/ & 
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/query-browser/1.1.html). But, on the other 
hand, if designed well (e.g. if the distance between the location bar and 
tabs is small enough), it's pretty easy to get used to it.

On the other hand, while grouping all tab specific stuff within the tab is 
intuitive, it would pretty much mean that the tab bar would have to be placed 
into the window title, along with a menu including all the common functions 
(new window, close, settings, etc.). Everything else would be situated within 
the tabs.

One option (although I'm not sure if it's really doable) would be to make tabs 
more generic. After all, tabs were originally created because managing a lot 
of windows is a real pita. So, if one were to think of a way to group and 
organise windows in a way similar to tabs, one might be able to create a more 
generic solution (something like a frame/context specific taskbar, which 
would also allow grouping different applications).

-- 
Jani-Matti Hätinen
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