One important thing I forgot on limb grafts, wrap loosely around the graft 
aluminum foil and remove when buds  break, will increase successfull grafts a 
lot, keeps hot sun off the scion so it doesnt dry out so quick, even works on 
toothpick size scions, do your grafting on a cool overcast day.
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 More to ad, what works best for me is
 to top work older Red Delicious on M7 root as RD is mostly
 immune to Fire Blight 6 to 8 grafts ar about right per tree,
 expect 5 to 6 feet growth 1st season, also. watch your
 grafts and remove suckers below the graft often, pinch off
 all side shoots except the ones that are chosen to be limbs,
 also, mix up some cal nitrate in a small spray bottle but
 weak on cal nitrate and spray JUST the limbgrafts not
 geeting any on the nurse limbs. I have went from seed to
 fruit in 2 years with this method on seedling that usually
 take 5 or more years or never. I would like to encourage
 others to breed new varieties, big universities take forever
 to get this done, anyone can do this, you dont need a Hort
 degree., expect at least one good variety in 100 crosses,
 but only withe right parents, my opinion is that Honey Crisp
 has to be one of them. Lee Elliott Upstart Nursery,
 Winchester Illinois
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  Remove nurse limbs in stages,
 starting
  with just stubbing them about half
 way, cutting off the
  growing tips makes energy go to the
 limb graft, the
  horizontal nurse limbs are not a big
 problem, concentrate on
  the vertical nurse limbs,, I also
 attach 3 foot bamboo to
  the limb? and graft with black vynal
 tape as the the
  graft union is very weak until they?
 harden off over
  the winter, doing this some of the
 more vigorous grow a
  meter or more, this way am testing new
 seedling varieties,
  some will fruit in 2 years, some
 never. remove the nurse
  limbs completely in March only if the
 limb grafts have grown
  enough to feed the tree, watch
 carefully for Jap beetles as
  tthey will destroy your limb grafts
 overnite, paint the
  graft unions with white latex paint so
 you can find them for
  sure later, I have done thousands of
 these in search of the
  the new seedling that will take the
 place of Honey Crisp, 4
  of my new apples varieties are
 available at Stark Bros
  Nursery, for sale to anyone, no r
   estrictions.. Hope this helps,?
  PS visit and check your grafts about
 ever 7 days. Lee
  Elliott, Upstart Nursery, Winchester,
 Illinois
 
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   Anybody have an opinion (or
  expertise?)
   on when is the best time to
 remove
   nurse (limbs) on top-worked
 trees?
   Obviously want to push the
 grafts, so
  do
   the nurse limbs take away
 energy? I
   guess I want to say they
 should/could
   be removed during the upcoming
  dormant
   season, but what about cutting
 them
   off now? Most of the grafts
 have
  grown
   one to two feet by now now...
   
   Thanks.
   
   Jon
   
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   My gut feeling, not based on
 any
   science I know of, just a few
 years of
  kicking dirt around,
   is too leave them until dormant,
 so
  that they can help with
   photo timing in the fall and
 the
  senescence will put back
   some nutrients. Just sayin'....
   
   Sent from my iPhone
   
   > On Jul 6, 2018, at 11:43
 AM, Jon
   Clements <jmcext...@gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > 
   > Anybody have an opinion
 (or
   expertise?) on when is the best
 time
  to remove nurse (limbs)
   on top-worked trees? Obviously
 want to
  push the grafts, so
   do the nurse limbs take away
 energy? I
  guess I want to say
   they should/could be removed
 during
  the upcoming dormant
   season, but what about cutting
 them
  off now? Most of the
   grafts have grown one to two
 feet by
  now now...
   > 
   > Thanks.
   > 
   > Jon
   > 
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   > JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon
 Clements)
   > 413.478.7219 Verizon
   > 413.378.3068 Project Fi
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   I often pinch the growing tips
 on the
   nurse limbs to encourage vigor
 in the
  graft - lots of
   hormonal things going on with
 growing
  tips - if the nurse
   limb is threatening to overwhelm
 the
  graft I?ll remove some
   or all of it - 
   
   D
   
   
   > On Jul 6, 2018, at 1:43 PM,
 Jon
   Clements <jmcext...@gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > 
   > Anybody have an opinion
 (or
   expertise?) on when is the best
 time
  to remove nurse (limbs)
   on top-worked trees? Obviously
 want to
  push the grafts, so
   do the nurse limbs take away
 energy? I
  guess I want to say
   they should/could be removed
 during
  the upcoming dormant
   season, but what about cutting
 them
  off now? Most of the
   grafts have grown one to two
 feet by
  now now...
   > 
   > Thanks.
   > 
   > Jon
   > 
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   > JMCEXTMAN (aka Jon
 Clements)
   > 413.478.7219 Verizon
   > 413.378.3068 Project Fi
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