You're probably correct Con.  What do you think about coverage and
penetration?  Reaching in, say 7-8 ft and up, maybe 14 ft as opposed to 3-4
ft in and 8-10 ft up.  This goes to canopy density and the equalizer is the
denser canopy of the dwarf planting.  What spacings are common on your farm?
 Our most recent planting is 4.5 ft X13.5 ft and we have a lot of 5 X15
using M9 or Bud 9.

Thanks
Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Con.Traas <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Hello Art,
>
> I would contend that a well-planned properly filled out orchard of dwarf
> trees (say from seventh year) has just as many leaves as the majority of
> orchards with standards. If this were not the case the dwarf orchard would
> not be able to out-yield the standard orchard in tons of crop per acre,
> which the dwarf orchard clearly is able to do. I think that TRV is over
> simplistic and really only useful when considering younger dwarf orchards
> where the volume has not filled out, or older orchards with missing trees
> etc., or perhaps badly planned orchards where the space is not filled due to
> trees being spaced too widely.
>
> I would certainly hope that new pesticides are researched on fully
> filled-out dwarf orchards, and not on trees in their second or third leaf.
>
> Con Traas
>
> The Apple Farm
>
> Ireland
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Arthur Kelly
> *Sent:* 07 October 2010 02:55
> *To:* Apple-Crop
> *Subject:* Apple-Crop: Tree Row volume
>
>
>
> I need to get it off my chest.  Sorry everyone.  If research on older
> pesticides was done on standard trees and semi and dwarf trees require less
> material due to less canopy and newer pesticides were researched on small
> trees why wouldn't larger trees require more material per acre?  Reverse
> tree row volume if you will.
>
>
>
> Art Kelly
>
> Kelly Orchards
>
> Acton, ME
>

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