Hi Rye
We are working hard on these topics.
You will find here after a link to a pdf file (sorry French speaking) were you 
can see a picture of a "Darwin" system working at full bloom a short English 
summary, and some tables that you can  understand...
http://www.fruits-et-legumes.net/revue_en_ligne/infos_ctifl/infospdf/infos%20251/251p32-36.pdf

Thinning at flowering time is fast, can be hand made (with a stick) or with a 
hand held electric tool that we are developing on stone fruit ("Effleureuse") 
or heavier mechanization like "Darwin" device or more...
Early thinning is good for next year bud fruit set. The effect on size of fruit 
(compared to standard thinning) is controversial in our trials.

So were are the problems.
1/ if you thin at flowering time then you are trusting good weather conditions 
and not expecting any frost or wind or wet weather or... everything else that 
may have adverse effect on fruit set. When you thin on small fruit you can 
adapt your thinning intensity.
2/ thinning at flowering time is a blind thinning, you can't choose the quality 
of fruit since you cannot see it. Thinning on small fruit gives you the 
opportunity to eliminate damaged fruits, give a better place to remaining 
fruits... if done by hand
3/on species like peach (general behavior) were production is on one year old 
wood, removing buds is not a problem, but removing flower buds on apple trees, 
you not only diminish flower number but also you diminish the number of shoots, 
giving the remaining shoots more power, and globally weakening the tree...
4/ for apple specific case, some variety are requiring to achieve a one fruit 
per corymb (eg. short stem varieties), of course flower thinning is done on a 
bud base (apart you are a scissors artist) not at flower level, thus you are 
facing a new thinning work at small fruit stage...

But with increasing pressure on chemical thinning, the increasing costs of hand 
thinning labor, we are in the process of implementing these tools in our 
strategies...

Best regards

JM Jourdain
Ctifl
France

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Objet : [apple-crop] Manually dropping fruit from young trees

Why is it customary to allow fruit to form and then drop it when it is small, 
rather than removing flowers so the tree doesn't "waste" energy forming any 
fruit at all?  Curious if tree growth can be increased without harmful effects 
by removing flowers before they form fruit.

Thanks,
Rye Hefley
Future Farmers Marketer
So. Cal.


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