Bonjour Vincent! Désolé, mais peut-être que vous devriez vous en tenir à
l'entomologie et de la pathologie et de laisser la recherche horticole très
dur très important pour les vrais experts! :-)


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Vincent Philion <vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca
> wrote:

> Hello, sorry for the delay.
>
> Yes, correct. Crop load influenced fruit weight notwithstanding ReTain.
> Fruits left on tree at harvest were more numerous and larger when treated
> with Retain. Fruits were up to 56g larger (148g vs 92g) depending on the
> specifics of the ReTain application.
>
> What I also found interesting was that the average fruit pressure of
> retain treated fruit significantly dropped for fruit left on the trees. As
> if the fruit stuck to the tree with Retain, and continued to grow but got
> softer.
>
>  The Brix index was also influenced by the number of fruits on the tree:
> lower Brix on trees with more fruit. Retain also increased sugar content.
>
> Not much else to report.
>
> I’m not usually into physiology. This was a “accidental” project for us!
>
> Vincent
>
> On 14janv., 2014, at 16:41, David Kollas <kol...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> Vincent:
>
> As I understand your most recent explanation, both the untreated and the
> ReTain-treated trees
> produced greater fruit size at harvest if they were borne on trees most
> heavily-set at start of
> experiment. And that the ReTain treated trees showed a greater
> size/initial number of fruit than did the
> untreated.  If the difference in fruit size for treated versus untreated
> is small, I would not be much
> bothered by it. Can you tell us how much different they were?
>
> David Kollas
>
> On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Vincent Philion <vincent.phil...@irda.qc.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> Thank you all for your input!
>
> I did not explain why I was looking at drop and fruit size: it was an
> experiment on the use of ReTain.
>
> In the end I’m not sure I can pinpoint the reason this increased fruit
> size on trees with more apples (notwithstanding ReTain), but your input
> underlined that a number of variables can be involved! I liked Duane’s idea.
>
> If you’re curious, the report will read: ReTain Treatments significantly
> increased harvested McIntosh yield as compared to the control (p<0.0001).
>  Average fruit size at harvest was proportional to the total number
> of fruits on the trees present at the start of the experiment (p=0.01) and
> fruits treated with ReTain were larger than in the control (p=0.02).
>
> The effect of ReTain on harvest was expected (drop prevention) but the
> effect on fruit size was undetectable if the model was not adjusted to the
> initial crop load (thus my question)
>
> So the next question is now: why are ReTain treated fruits bigger than
> untreated fruit at harvest?
>
> bye for now,
>
> Vincent
>
>
> On 14janv., 2014, at 10:06, Duane Greene <dgre...@pssci.umass.edu> wrote:
>
>
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