I do support this work going forward. I do understand Joe's position/desire and while it would be preferable to have a comprehensive document, I think draft-briscoe is useful by itself. FYI, Joe's draft can be found here
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-intarea-tunnels-00 Thanks Suresh > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Bob Briscoe > Sent: November-05-13 1:59 PM > To: Joe Touch > Cc: [email protected]; tsvwg IETF list > Subject: Re: [tsvwg] [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding ECN to L2 > or tunnel protocols? > > Joe, > > I envisage that a very brief standards track doc that explicitly UPDATES the > relevant IETF tunnel specs will be written, and it will refer to this doc for > rationale. > > See Appendix A (outstanding items), which I have also highlighted when > presenting each time: > > 2. Consider whether an IETF Standard Track doc will be needed to > Update the IP-in-IP protocols listed in Section 4.1--at least > those that the IETF controls--and which Area it should sit under. > > Does that address your concern? > > > Bob > > At 18:40 05/11/2013, Joe Touch wrote: > >IMO, these guidelines ought to come out in a single recommendation for > >tunnels; we had a draft of that in INTAREA but insufficient momentum. > > > >Piecemeal recommendations are likely to be ignored/lost. > > > >Joe > > > >On 11/4/2013 11:36 PM, Michael Menth wrote: > >>+1 > >> > >>We need such guidelines for consistent congestion management. > >> > >>Best wishes, > >> > >>Michael > >> > >>Am 05.11.2013 00:16, schrieb Matt Mathis: > >>>I think this is valuable work. Having a single document that > >>>describes the requirements and general principles will save future > >>>tunnel inventor/implementers from rediscovering the same bugs > >>> > >>>Thanks, > >>>--MM-- > >>>The best way to predict the future is to create it. - Alan Kay > >>> > >>>Privacy matters! We know from recent events that people are using our > >>>services to speak in defiance of unjust governments. We treat > >>>privacy and security as matters of life and death, because for some > >>>users, they are. > >>> > >>> > >>>On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Bob Briscoe <[email protected] > >>><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Folks, > >>> > >>> Pls respond if you support this being adopted as a work-group item > >>> in the IETF transport services w-g (tsvwg). The WG chairs need > >>> visibility of interest. > >>> Even better, if you're willing to read / comment / review / > >>> implement > >>> > >>> Guidelines for Adding Congestion Notification to Protocols that > >>> Encapsulate IP > >>> > >>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-briscoe-tsvwg-ecn-encap-guidelines > >>> > > >>> > >>> Abstract > >>> > >>> The purpose of this document is to guide the design of congestion > >>> notification in any lower layer or tunnelling protocol that > >>> encapsulates IP. The aim is for explicit congestion signals to > >>> propagate consistently from lower layer protocols into IP. > >>> Then the > >>> IP internetwork layer can act as a portability layer to carry > >>> congestion notification from non-IP-aware congested nodes up to > the > >>> transport layer (L4). Following these guidelines should assure > >>> interworking between new lower layer congestion notification > >>> mechanisms, whether specified by the IETF or other standards > >>> bodies. > >>> > >>> > >>> [Cross-posting tsvwg & aqm, just in case] > >>> > >>> > >>> Bob Briscoe, > >>> also for co-authors Pat Thaler and John Kaippallimalil > >>> > >>> > >>> > __________________________________________________________ > ______ > >>> Bob Briscoe, BT > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> aqm mailing list > >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>aqm mailing list > >>>[email protected] > >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm > >> > >>-- > >>Prof. Dr. habil. Michael Menth > >>University of Tuebingen > >>Faculty of Science > >>Department of Computer Science > >>Chair of Communication Networks > >>Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany > >>phone: (+49)-7071/29-70505 > >>fax: (+49)-7071/29-5220 > >>mailto:[email protected] > >>http://kn.inf.uni-tuebingen.de > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>aqm mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm > >_______________________________________________ > >aqm mailing list > >[email protected] > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm > > __________________________________________________________ > ______ > Bob Briscoe, BT _______________________________________________ aqm mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm
