Mikael Abrahamsson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Also, I actually still don't understand the concept of "developing 
> congestion". For me "congestion" means there is a sustained, constant, 
> non-trivial buffer fill. So "incipient congestion" doesn't compute at all. 
> I understand this term has been used before, but that doesn't help me 
> understand the reasoning behind the wording. For me sending a congestion 
> signal, means saying there is congestion. It's not saying there is 
> developing congestion (whatever that might be).

   I agree that "developing congestion" doesn't convey the same meaning
to all readers.

   When I suggested we use "incipient congestion", I was thinking of
the queueing-theory definition.

> I would greatly appreciate if someone could point me to text explaining 
> this so I can better understand the reasoning behind this wording.

   I recommend my slides from IETF-77:

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/77/slides/iccrg-7.pdf

starting with slide 11; and the Bauer_Clark_Lehr_2009 paper it refers
to (Section 3 of that paper).

   Briefly, the Queuing Theory definition is the most useful for
control-loop purposes:
"
" congestion is said to occur if the arrival rate into a system exceeds
" the service rate of the system at a point in time.

   This is what I meant "incipient" congestion to mean.

   (NB it _does_ make sense to talk of "incipient congestion" persisting
for a longer period of time, believe it or not!)

--
John Leslie <[email protected]>

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