On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Joe Touch wrote:

On 10/10/2015 4:06 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
I just wanted to say that I'm with dlang here... aggregated and
asymmetric transmits in wifi, cell, and cable, are here to stay. Deal
with it.

Right until they're encrypted, then we'll be back to square 1.

Don't just take the simpleminded approach of taking existing data and encrypting it. Develop new encryption friendly protocols that aren't excessivly chatty to begin with.

Time to deal with the case where the net isn't involved in tampering
with E2E connections, IMO.

just like IPv6 is going to eliminate all firewalls and NAT and restore the pristine end-to-end Internet that was originally designed?

sorry, but I think those days are past. The Internet isn't A International Network, it's a Network of Networks. While I agree that the core that connects the edge networks where the servers and users live should be data agnostic, the points where the networks join is not going to be transparent as the owners of the edge networks have not only a right, but a duty to manage their network. The interesting discussion is how you define core vs edge (I count ISP networks as core, even if they have some islands inside them that count as edge)

David Lang

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