arachne-digest Wednesday, May 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1137 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:38:13 +0300 From: "Sergei Kramar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: One more modem-nodem On Tue, 30 May 2000 12:19:14 -0400, Roger Turk wrote: > Sergei, > I had downloaded a 5-chapter set of modem information from the Practical > Peripherals forum on Compuserve a number of years ago. All toll, they are > about 145K and I can send them to you if you would like, either as one, 145K > file, or chapter by chapter if your ISP won't handle such a large file. I > can also upload them to the egroups/arachne site that Gregy mentioned, but > have not yet been to that site. Thank you, Roger, My ISP supplies me 2M e-mail box, so 145K is not a problem. I'll be grateful if you send me this information as single text. >Got to go to work now! Hope you will have a good working day. Sergei. - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client - -- Arachne V1.60, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:58:26 -0600 From: Matt Bahls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 NationOnline Update & a way it may still be usuable f At 5/29/00 9:22:00 AM you wrote: >On 29 May 00 at 12:42, Matt Bahls wrote: > >>>Hi all, >>>This has been a big topic of discussion on the Freenet list I am on for the >>>last couple of days. I will try to summarize what is believed to have >>>happened and then give some brief news on what is happening now. > >What is the Freenet list you are on? How to subscribe? It's a list on egroups. I think the address to subscribe is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mostly Win9X Free ISPs are discussed, but occassionally a jem that works for all systems like Freewwweb and 1Nol are discussed. >>>You also must reregister if you were >>>registered before. The theory here is that Sisna took the user database >>>with them. Also, as Dale mentioned, a bunch of dialup numbers have been >>>deleted. (I am going to check in a matter of seconds if mine is still >>>there.) There was some mention that they are looking at Hispanic users more >>>than anything, so if you live in a big Hispanic area, you probably will have >>>more luck with your number. I just checked out their site and there is a >>>pop-up window showing their "improvements" I will cut and past it at the >>>end of this message. > >They've improved the damn thing so much it's near useless now. ;) That's pretty much the concensus on the FreeNET list too. One of the moderators that also runs a Win3.1 list and uses Linux was pretty upset with them and he is generally a pretty easygoing person (at least on list.) >>>I am in the process of reregistering (I just saw my local number is gone as >>>well.). Anyway, it was reported on the Freenet list that if that you can >>>connect using the following user info: >>> >>>Username: user@1nol (use your username for user) >>>Password: yourpassword with xms added to the end. (So if your password is >>>chucky, you would enter chuckyxms.) >>> >>>It's not known at this time if this will work for all time or if it will be >>>changed or what, so be advised. >Thanks for the details, Matt. Please post again your successs using >1NOL with Arachne. It won't do me much good personally, but it will >certainly benefit others on the list. I'm not going to try it either since my local number is gone. Maybe if I get around to it, I will dial up one of the long distance numbers just to see if it works. If I do that I will let you all know. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:03:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Attachments Gregy wrote: > It may be more convenient, and cleaner, if files and other items >now being sent as attachments to the list, are instead uploaded to >the "stash site" that is set up at" Perhaps, but for commonly requested items putting them on arachne.cz sounds better to me (and it would make it easier for people to find it even if they aren't on the list). How about http://home.arachne.cz/download/other/ ? (If that's ok with you Michael). Please note that I've not made that directory so it will not work... And please don't bombard me with the files you think are good to have there... > Also, it would be nice if Bernie would upload his mouse.dvr, when >he has it stabilized, into the aUTILITIES folder, also. But why? Cute Mouse 1.7 can be downloaded from the web as it is (http://bernie.arachne.cz/ctmouse/ and somewhere on freedos.org/ - but that's not the main site). Actually it is stablized - it will not work on Logitech 3 button mice but other than that it works nice :) //Bernie http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:27:45 -0500 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Attachments Gregory J. Feig wrote: > > I would like it if that 4ports4U.com utility would be uploaded > into the aUTILITIES folder/directory. That is a primary utility that > we recommend a lot for use with Arachne. Well Gregy, since I shotgunned it to the list you certainly have it. Why don't YOU put it in there as I have a general aversion to signing up/ registering for things. (Unless it happens to be my idea <G>) - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:29:04 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Attachments Greg, This is a great idea. However, I have a question: Since we can't do html upload with Arachne, how does one get an approved username and password for FTP uploads? You're not allowing ANON uploads, I hope. l.d. ==== On Tue, 30 May 2000 05:29:04 -0700, Gregory J. Feig wrote: > et al, > It may be more convenient, and cleaner, if files and other items > now being sent as attachments to the list, are instead uploaded to > the "stash site" that is set up at" > http://www.egroups.com/group/arackne/ > You must register as a group member to upload, but you can post > the exact URL (including complete path and filename) and the reader - -- - -- "I need not like the company I keep, if that company helps me attain my own personal goals and does me no harm." anon. - -- - -- Arachne V1.61, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:22:48 -0500 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Arachne editors Hi All; Does anyone know how to spawn any of the Arachne editors with a document name preloaded ? i.e. Instead of F3 | enter "arachne.cfg" | <ENTER> | F4 , how can one make arachne:internal-htmledit file:arachne.cfg work ? OR anything like that ? I don't want to program a new hotkey to launch a new .dgi and I'd rather not make another special purpose editor like Quickpad for every possible different file I want the editor to start with. It's not possible to get some ideas across in the proper form without ending with a preposition. :-) - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:30:17 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: connection question On 30 May 00 at 11:16, Bernie wrote: >>Dale wrote: >>>I think a lot of users (like >>>myself) are not aware of whether their ISP support PAP/CHAP or even >>>what it is, especially a Windows user trying Arachne for the first >>>time. >> >>Exactly, since Windows (AFAIK) *always* uses PAP/CHAP there's no point in >>making it harder for people to actually use Arachne - using a shell is of >>course nice but most people doesn't need it. I had never had a browser on my own computer before finding and using Arachne so I had almost no experience with Windows browsers. I was on Compuserve at the time (1997?) and using their proprietary DOS access program (DOSCIM). I think I only had a 386sx/16 w/1 meg RAM at the time. Even after acquiring my 486 with the ability to run Windows effectively, the IE version my ISP provided had a script with it so I assumed that that was how it was connecting. It may still do it that way, but I can't really say I know for sure. Back then (1997) maybe ISPs that did not support PAP/CHAP were more common and if that is not the case now, you may be right about making PAP/CHAP the default login protocol. I wonder if the ISP business community has an association to represent their industry, such as other businesses have? If they did, it might be interesting or usefull to contact them and see if they know how predominant the various login protocols are in their industry. >>>I know the memory is the first faculty to go >>>and I can't remember what the second one is. ;) >> >>Hearing... I SAID HEARING! ;) Eh? What did you say? I can't hear you over that damn fool shouting! ;) Regards, Dale Mentzer Maintenance free: If it breaks, it can't be fixed... This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:47:02 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Attachments On 30 May 00 at 20:03, Bernie wrote: >>Gregy wrote: >>> It may be more convenient, and cleaner, if files and other items >>>now being sent as attachments to the list, are instead uploaded to >>>the "stash site" that is set up at" >> >>Perhaps, but for commonly requested items putting them on arachne.cz sounds >>better to me (and it would make it easier for people to find it even if they >>aren't on the list). How about http://home.arachne.cz/download/other/ ? (If >>that's ok with you Michael). Please note that I've not made that directory >>so it will not work... And please don't bombard me with the files you think >>are good to have there... Yes, arachne.cz should be Arachne Central, a one stop resource for newbies and power users alike. Links to other Arachne sites would be a part of those resources there also. Regards, Dale Mentzer The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:43:16 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: 1 NationOnline Update & a way it may still be usuable f On 30 May 00 at 12:58, Matt Bahls wrote: >>>What is the Freenet list you are on? How to subscribe? >> >>It's a list on egroups. I think the address to subscribe is >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mostly Win9X Free ISPs are discussed, but >>occassionally a jem that works for all systems like Freewwweb and 1Nol are >>discussed. Thanks, I may drop in and lurk for a while. >>>They've improved the damn thing so much it's near useless now. ;) >> >>That's pretty much the concensus on the FreeNET list too. One of the >>moderators that also runs a Win3.1 list and uses Linux was pretty upset with >>them and he is generally a pretty easygoing person (at least on list.) Well, while I continue to use and enjoy FreeWWWeb, the sudden near collapse of 1NationOnline only reinforces my earliest feelings that being a paying customer of a conventional ISP establishes a business relationship that does not exist with a free service. I am sure there are exceptions to this, but I think it is generally true. >>>Thanks for the details, Matt. Please post again your successs using >>>1NOL with Arachne. It won't do me much good personally, but it will >>>certainly benefit others on the list. >> >>I'm not going to try it either since my local number is gone. Maybe if I >>get around to it, I will dial up one of the long distance numbers just to >>see if it works. If I do that I will let you all know. Thanks Matt. Regards, Dale Mentzer Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:03:40 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Attachments On Tue, 30 May 2000 17:47:02, Dale Mentzer wrote: > The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half > and put it back in your pocket. The richest country in the world is Ireland. Its capital has been Dublin for years. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:58:30 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne editors On Tue, 30 May 2000 19:22:48 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote: > It's not possible to get some ideas across in the proper form without ending > with a preposition. :-) "Never use a preposition to end a sentence with. Up with this I will not put." --- Sir Winston S. Churchill All the best, Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:01:27 +0000 From: "Edenyard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: What are most common problems for newbies ? On Tue, 30 May 2000 15:11:39 +0200 (CEST), Richard Menedetter wrote: > E> 1. Fix memory leak. (Oh yes, it DOES!) > Which version do you use ?? > 1.61 has fixed a BIG leak ... but maybe there are others left ... > Yes - I use 1.61 and it still leaks. I sent a message a week or two ago listing a couple of sites that would reliably leak with 1.61. > > E> 3. Fix download of .ZIP files so that it isn't necessary to go > E> back from a screen full of odd-looking text to the download > E> link and click it again to get the 'save to' box up. > This is NOT an Arachne problem ... > The server sends the wrong MIME Type ... (usually text/text instead of > application/octet-stream) > Some of the places from which I download items cause this problem with 1.61 where they didn't with earlier versions. > > E> 5. (Fantasy-land) Make secure ordering possible. > Do you mean SSL ... would be great ... > I'm not sure what I mean - you know more about it than I do. What I want to be able to do is to buy things from sites with a credit card but NOT get the "unsupported protocol" (or whatever) error message when I try to do so. Is that requiring SSL? Hope this clarifies things! Ron. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:18:13 +0200 (CEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: What are most common problems for newbies ? Hi "Edenyard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> E> 1. Fix memory leak. (Oh yes, it DOES!) >> Which version do you use ?? >> 1.61 has fixed a BIG leak ... but maybe there are others left ... E> Yes - I use 1.61 and it still leaks. I sent a message a week or two E> ago listing a couple of sites that would reliably leak with 1.61. Can you send them in private to me again ... either I could not reproduce it, or I haven't tried :)) >> E> 3. Fix download of .ZIP files so that it isn't necessary to go >> E> back from a screen full of odd-looking text to the download >> E> link and click it again to get the 'save to' box up. >> This is NOT an Arachne problem ... >> The server sends the wrong MIME Type ... (usually text/text instead >> of application/octet-stream) E> Some of the places from which I download items cause this problem E> with 1.61 where they didn't with earlier versions. Look into the cache/headers directory, for the corresponding header .... what does the content type say ?? (maybe thy have changed the server config ...) >> E> 5. (Fantasy-land) Make secure ordering possible. >> Do you mean SSL ... would be great ... E> I'm not sure what I mean - you know more about it than I do. What E> I want to be able to do is to buy things from sites with a credit card E> but NOT get the "unsupported protocol" (or whatever) error message E> when I try to do so. Is that requiring SSL? Yes ... the unsupported protocol is https which uses ssl to encrypt everything you send and receive. So nobody in between you and the other computer can read your password/creditcardnumber/whatsoever :) E> Ron. CU, Ricsi - -- Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.} - -=> Better to marry a man who loves you than one you love <=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:47:06 +0000 From: "Bastiaan Edelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: nice & humble L.D.Best wrote: Humility is an excuse to never firmly commit to anything. I am not humble, and have not been for a very long time. I admit my ignorance in many areas, I admit I am constantly learning, and I have only so many minutes in each day available with little time to waste on pointing out how the English language works, the difference between opinion and fact, and false smiles coupled with ooooo and aaahhh and "Isn't that nice .." >>> To non native speakers of the English language the usage of 'short >>> hand' is a real puzzle... does IMHO mean In My Humble Opinion ?? >>> The main trouble is that people are not realy interested in fact, >>> they like the opinion **their opinion** and nothing else. >>> In Dutch language its the same thing... if you just give facts, >>> people think those facts are your opinion... and that you stand >>> by that 'opinion'. It's not that easy to give 'just' the facts. >>> BTW is this 'between' or By The Way...? In Dutch this means 'VAT' Value Added Tax - purchase tax - wich is 17.5% at the mo- ment (fact)... criminel... (opinion). It is clear that many people think anything I could get involved in regarding Arachne couldn't be any good. Why can I say that with any assurance? It's simple -- I sat here for two weeks watching people trying to figure out how to save this screen to go to that place to get an e-mail address to forward or send something. All sorts of convoluted and complex solutions were promulgated but I never saw a final conclusion. Yet when I say I've got some new .ah & .htp pages that could solve a lot of those problems, how many people ask to see them? I can count that number on the figures of one hand. Your loss. I can now do what I want to do when it comes to easy creation, update, editing, and access of my e-mail address list. >>> Well... I am interested. As a newbe it did not realize what you offered >>> at first, but as I'am struggeling with the address list you might have >>> a good solution. >>> Bastiaan BTW, I believe I gave credit where credit was due regarding those pages. But I didn't see anyone complain that I should have clarified that was simply my opinion, nor did I see anyone make a point of saying "Gee, that was nice of you to not take all the credit for yourself." Yes, I'm pixxed off. My life isn't a bed of roses. I have to struggle with some things, some days I can't get much of anything done, but I have never gone out of my way to start a fight with anyone over the way they word their posts! That sort of petty BS is the type of time wasting crap I try to avoid. But after a point I'm like anyone else -- you attack me and I'll attack you right back. You start it, I'll try to finish it. You want to play games, go somewhere else and find someone else. Those types of games are for snot nosed kids who have nothing better to do than role play at life. Yes, I know -- I should be adult and cooperative and simply let crap roll off my back. NOT!! There is only one thing worse than an abuser; that is someone who allows the abuse to continue without a fight. So, like I said before, if you don't like what I say you don't have to read my posts. And I will try to ignore any more petty nastiness that shows up in my in-box. l.d. - -- Arachne V1.61, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:11:15 +0800 From: J J Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: nice & humble >>>> To non native speakers of the English language the usage of 'short >>>> hand' is a real puzzle... does IMHO mean In My Humble Opinion ?? >>>> BTW is this 'between' or By The Way...? In Dutch this means > 'VAT' Value Added Tax - purchase tax - wich is 17.5% at the mo- > ment (fact)... criminel... (opinion). I'd recommend http://www.AcronymFinder.com but have been unable to rustle up the site just now with Arachne. IIRC (sorry!) they use JavaScript for submitting new definitions. I was disappointed to run across a site for designing response forms using new capabilities only available to users of IE5. So they've gone and f*cked up forms now! Jake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:08:12 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: What are most common problems for newbies ? On Tue, 30 May 2000 21:01:27 +0000, "Edenyard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes - I use 1.61 and it still leaks. I sent a message a week or two > ago listing a couple of sites that would reliably leak with 1.61. I didn't see it, Ron. What reliably leaks for me doesn't on some other systems. Maybe you can shoot out the URLs again and see if they leak for me. >> E> 3. Fix download of .ZIP files so that it isn't necessary to go > Some of the places from which I download items cause this problem > with 1.61 where they didn't with earlier versions. I had the same problem, but from some sites no problem. It is a site problem. At least Arachne *will* allow us to make the choice of what to do with stuff. I had an even worse problem the other day though -- main page at Altavista came down as text file. I have a question here -- How does someone tell the server that the file being uploaded is text/HTML and not text/plain ??? I don't see that option in FTP anywhere. l.d. - -- - -- "I need not like the company I keep, if that company helps me attain my own personal goals and does me no harm." anon. - -- - -- Arachne V1.61, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #1137 ******************************
