arachne-digest      Thursday, February 20 2003      Volume 01 : Number 2052




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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:59:50 -0700
From: "G J Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .ACF links on mail.htm (was - reply problems)

On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I have uploaded the file as http://tadpole.aus.as/files/ronsmail.htm

> I have included a suggestion for a click-on anti-virus check of the
> Arachne Inbox (which I use all the time), as well as remarks inside the
> HTML code for what is used for switching web identities.

> Edit to suit your own identities, and to match your own .ACF file
> names.

Thank you...and...I take it that that antivirus link "fp_mail.ook"
resides on your own box....???.....at least...it looks like it..<g>
I presume that "fp" is for F-Prot and you have an .OOK set up to
run it against your INBOX....would it be asking too much to ask
you to "give mit uns" with the FP_MAIL.OOK, also...???

....gregy


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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 06:07:57 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: important

FROM THE DESK OF 
SENATOR.FARUK MUKTAR
MANAGING DIRECTOR.

WE ARE AN OIL SERVICING COMPANY FRONTING FOR THREE TOP GROUP EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS
OF THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION {NNPC} AS PART OF OUR
FUNCTIONS, WE MARKET NIGERIANS CRUDE OIL AND REFINED PETROLEUM PRODUCTS.
AT THE MOMENT, WE HAVE A MONTHLY ALLOCATION OF 2M BARRELS OF BONNY LIGTH
WHICH WE WANT
SELL AT A DISCOUNT TO ANY FORIGN BUYER. IF YOUINDICATE INTEREST, MORE DETAILS
WILL BE FORWARDED TO YOU.PRIOR TO THIS CRUDE ALLCATION,WE WANT TO CONFIDE
IN
YOU THAT AN OUTSTANDING AMOUNT OF US75$M REPRESENTING AN OVER INVOICED CONTRACT
SUMS ACCRUING FROM SUPPLY AND ERECTION OF PURPYLENE TUBLING PLANT EXECUTED
FOR
THE NNPC IS YET TO BE CLAIMED THE AMOUNT IS PRESENTLY LODGED IN THE SUSPENSE
ACCOUNT OF THE CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA {CBN} AWAITING TO BE CLAIMED.THIS
AMOUNT
HOWEVER CAN ONLY BE TRANSFERRED TO AN OFFSHORE ACCOUNT OF A FOREIGN COMPANY
ON WHOSE BEHALF WE ARE GOING TO FILE CLAIMS THROUGH THE NNPC TO THE CBN AS
HAVING
EXECUTED THE CONTRACT. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO RISKS  INVOLVED WHATSOEVER
BUT RATHER THIS WILL EVEN  ENHANCE YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING CRUDE OIL ALLOCATION
WHENEVER YOU NEED IT AND CONTRACTS FROM THE NNPC IN FUTURE . WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY
MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO MEET WITH YOU ANY WHERE TO SHARE THE
FUNDS AS SOON AS IT HITS YOUR DESIGNATED ACCOUNT. WE SHALL GIVE YOU 30% OF
THE TOTAL SUM, 10% WILL COVER ALL SUNDRY EXPENSES WHILE 60% WILL BE FOR US.

IN OTHER TO ENABLE US FORWARD THE CLAIMS,SEND TO US YOUR BANK NAME,AND ACCOUNT
NUMBER WHERE THIS MONEY WILL BE LODGED. GET IN TOUCH WITH ME IMMEDIATELY
BY
E-MAIL ADDRESS SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN DISCUSSIONS ON THE CRUDE OIL AND THE
FUNDS TRANSFER. KINDLY KEEP THIS MATTER AS A SECRET.

ALL COMMUNICATIONS SHALL BE ONLY BY MAIL MESSAGE FOR
NOW.

BEST REGARDS

SENATOR FARUK MUKTAR

MANAGING DIRECTOR

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:53:40 -0700
From: "G J Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .ACF links on mail.htm (was - reply problems)

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, G J Feig wrote:

Replying to Ron Clarke's file upload announcement;

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that I would like to have his FP_MAIL.OOK file, too..

ahhhh....thanks Ron...when I edited that .HTM file...I found it
where you had inserted it into the page code....<g g  gg>

.....gregy


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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:02:03 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What is the meaning of this?

One of the spams I received today, subject: Cybergrama, looks like this:

- ------ begin quoted spam -------

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

- ------_NextPart_573286746526125
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

Your Email Client does not support MIME encoding. Please upgrade to
MIME-enabled Email Client (almost every modern Email Client is MIME-capable).

- ------_NextPart_573286746526125
Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

<html>
<head>
<title>Cybergrama</title>
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1">
</head>

[snipped all the rest of this unsolicited HTML advertisement]

- ------ end quoted spam -----

I don't understand.

Regardless of whatever email client I use for downloading and
reading this spam message, wouldn't any normal email client
display the text portion at the top of the message telling me
about how my email client allegedly does not support MIME encoding?

Do some "modern" email clients fail to display the normal text
portion at the top of the message if an HTML attachment is present?
If so, why would anyone want to use such an email client?

BTW, what is meant by saying that an email client doesn't support
MIME encoding?  I don't even know of any email clients that are
not capable of sending and receiving MIME encoded messages.  I do
know of some email clients that require the use of external third
party programs to perform the MIME encode/decode functions, but the
email client programs themselves are perfectly capable of sending
and receiving MIME encoded messages.

Sam Heywood
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:31:38 -0800
From: Vitaly Luban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: International law???

Hi Ricsi,

On Tuesday 18 February 2003 04:07 am, Richard Menedetter wrote:
> If the UN (or another world wide organization) would have investigated, and
> found millions of people murdered by the regime, they should have tried to
> put an end to it than.
>
> But this all is _NOT_ the case in iraq.

Aha, as if Saddam have not used gases against Kurds and Iranians,
as if he did not invade Kuwait! Still not enough?

>  VL> With your arguments, you're advocating ignorance (besides empty
>  VL> rhethoric) to the _very_ last moment, when it's too late already.
> No I'm not.
> But Saddam is the closest supervised Dictator ever.
> There are many spy satellites supervising iraq.
> there are insepctors in the country.
> There are american planes over most of the northern and southern terretory.

That's what, makes him (Saddam) a Santa?

> WHAT RIGHT has america to invade another country on its own ??

The same right Saddam had to invade Kuwait, at least.

>  VL> Precisely as it was with Hitler. Shouldn't europeans learn the lesson
>  VL> of their own past?
> you can't compare Hitler to Saddam.
> This would make the cruelties of Hitler really, really small ...
> Hitler was much, much worse.

And this should mean that Saddam is much much better, shouldn't it? ;)

>  VL> Because just destruction does not assure anything. Destroyed weapons
>  VL> could be built again.
> yeah sure ...
> so what ??
> kill the population of the whole world ??
> No more mass destruction weapons ... I guarantee.

You are transgressing the semantics here. Everyone has to have
a right to have a weapons for defence. Only those proven to use
it for assault and crime should be deprived of this right. Same way
convicted criminals normally denied a license for weapon.

Saddam proved himself criminal enough to be dangerous, and,
as a consequence to be denied of this right. So, or he has to go,
or to disarm. Period.

> How would you like it if you got killed after birth ??
> with the argument that you could kill somebody later.
> No evidence given ... nothing.

I'm sorry, this is just a socialist-liberal blubber, that pressing emotions,
but with no merit or sense.

>  VL> First, existing UN resolution says enough to be considered a mandate.
> according to bush no.
> Because he wanted another one, and now says that he can make war without an
> UN mandate.
> If he would have one we could hear the bombs falling right now.

This, again, is an emotional but empty statement.

>  VL> For example, not islamic countries, nor russians are interested in oil
>  VL> prices decline, same way as US interested in exactly the opposite. And
>  VL> so should be you, as an european, BTW.
> I'm not interested in the oil prize.
> I'm interested in fair play.

The problem here is, that you're talking about the guys and affairs, where
there's no place for the fair play. You cannot win playing by the book against
an opponent who does not. Look, who you are advocating for, this guys will
call for the fair play when they are loosing the game, but sure they will spit 
on the rules should the situation change.

For anyone to excercise a right, there is a requirement to respect this
right of the others. Thus, proven murderer has no right to live, for example.
And, IMHO, such an approach is the only fair one.

> Attacking somebody of having something without any evidence is not OK.
> Hans Blix said that the "evidence" by Powell does not show anything.
> It could have been anything the US showed.

If he'd say, he checked every single lead provided by Powell, I'd say
he did his job. Otherwise such a statement is the same way baseless and
empty. If not indicating bribery or political pressure if you wish.

> This doesn't mean that they don't have mass destruction weapons (like many,
> many other countries).

See above. Unlike many other countries, Iraq with Saddam does not have
a right to have such weapons.
>
>  VL> Have you ever heard the term "preemptive strike"?
> Yes ... and it is the BIGGEST BULLSHIT I have ever heared.

Think of it as you wish, but it is a legitimate military strategy to
cope with an enemy. Like, if I get an information that someone
planning something against me, or my family, I will never wait
for a plan to became a reality. Same thing there.

> This is kill all the potential killers (babs born in the world)

And this is a real bullshit. Again, pressing emotions, portraying
killers and war criminals as innocent babies, all from the well
known arsenal of brainwashing and public opinion manipulation.
Mind you, it's all based on the assumption, that you are nothing
more, than a mindless jerk, and being appealed to emotions, you'll
lose all ability to an independent analysis, but will run and fight for
"an innocent babies", no matter what the real thing is.

> YOU ARE INNOCENT AS LONG AS YOU PROVEN GUILTY.

This guy (Saddam) did enough to be guilty. Would you say
otherwise?

> This is the most basic notion of all law in Europe, maybe this is not the
> case in the US.

This last statement has nothing to do with the discussed topic.
Invent a name for it's usage here yourself please.

>  VL> Saddam already proven to be an agressor, why should we wait for more?
> so has the US. US financially supported Iraq, Iran, Al quaida and others ...

And again, this is a good example of the results of application of 
brainwashing techniques. Should we make a textbook for the future dictators
on your example? ;) No, I belive, it's done already with a lot of such a 
material.

Here, the method of disorientation and brainwashing is noncredible mixing of
true known facts and lies in order for the people like you to think, that it's 
all is credible information.

- - First of all, whoever US supports financially, does not make US an 
aggressor.
- - Second, if you'll check serious historical documents, and not a 
propagandistic lies you are operating with, I doubt you'll find any example 
of US invading any country unprovoked and with a goal to annex it. That's 
what makes an aggressor and that's exactly what Saddam did with Kuwait.
- - Third, yes, US supported Iraq and Iran, as it does support many others.
But I doubt that Iraq, for one, enjoyed much of US support after Kuwait.
Now, about Al-Kaeda, that is a pure freaking lie, and this is exactly the
mixing I'm talking about.

>  VL> Wait a bit. There will be thir turn also. FIFO.
> Oh ... so America has switched to FIFO.
> When are they attacking Austria ??

Oh, naturally, as soon, as Austria will poison slovaks with V-gas, and
occupy Romania ;)))

> You have to understand that America is a country like Holland, Austria,
> Somalia Iraq or any other.

I think it is you, who has to understand that it's not. Maybe like Holland
and Austria, only stronger, but definitely totally unlike Iraq and Somalia.
Here again you make an example of brainwashing of yourself with the method
described just above.


I will ignore the following one, excuse me. That's the same substitution
thing. Find please yourself where it is as an excersize, ok?
> They don't have the right to randomly attack other countries they don't
> like.
> If they have evidence that international law is broken, than the world
> (with the lead of the biggest military nation US) should take
> countermeasures. troops, bombs, war ...
===========

>  VL> And there is a connection. He (Bush) said it right after Sep.11, that
>  VL> every party involved will be punished. And here he does.
> Bush can say many things.
> This doesn't make these things right.

No, it's just explains why Iraq or Saddam first :)

> What if Bush accuses me of being a terrorist participating in sept. 11th.
> He sends troops to Austria (without any permit from austrian government)
> and kills me ... no evidence given ... nothing.

That's wrong example. I deem it was made wrong intentionally, as it allows you
to use austrian government, probably trying to pose UN as a world government,
which it is not. See below please.

> Was this right ??
> Hey sure ... Bush said I'm a Terrorist ...

The right example would be: If you and I are the leaders of villages, and you
are supporting thieves in the woods, who've done harm to me, and the king, or
whoever else is the autority, is reluctant to take action against you, because
there's no solid proof of your support (sure thing, how else), I will take an
action myself. And rightfully so.

> Correct behaviour:
> present evidence of my being a terrorist.
> And get the whole world to chase me.

Aha, in the next life. Because the whole world does not give a sh*t about
you being a terrorist and has his own carrots to tender.

>  >> The question is how far do you go, and how correct are your thoughts
>  >> about the threat.
>  VL> As far, as it is necessary to reach the goal,
> But what if the colleteral damage would be MUCH higher than the goal ?

So what?
If Iraqis worry about collateral damage, they shall oust Saddam themselves.
If they are in agreement with his course, then they are the same way subject
to an action as he is.



>  VL> And it's always better to overestimate the threat, than underestimate 
> Not if extreme measures are caused by the extreme overestimation of the
> threat.

Nothing extreme happened yet. And if iraqis wont go to war to protect Saddam,
nothing whill. See, they shouldn't even oust him, just not to support him. But
if they go to war, then they become an enemy with all the consequences.
See my paragraph above.

>  VL> You in Europe done that once.
> America has done it often.

It does not make Europe better, nor America worse.

> Al Quaida fought with american weapons against america.

How this is relevant? Or will you conclude from the fact, that Taliban used 
Russian arms, that Russians supported Taliban?

> Saddam Hussein has many american weapons lying araound.

So what?

> Given to him freely
> by the american government.

Before he did what he did. Everyone is strong by backthought.

>  VL> I wish your government would respect yours the same way.
> <personal remark>
> I'm really highly happy to live here and not in the US.
> really, really happy.
> </remark>

Relax & be happy, nobody calls you to the US, nor wants you there :)

> In my country this was once long ago the case.
> Hitler thought that we need more land ... and he invaded "some countries"
> to make more land available.
>
> A clear case where the goal (more land for germany) was "less important"
> than the collateral damage.

The hell with "collateral damage" there. Hitler was an aggressor and a 
murderer, because he exactly invaded these countries with the goal to annex 
their territory and to murder their original population. But if you will try 
to place a sign of equality between Hitler, and the allies (as you are 
undoubtedly instructed, or, at least, brainwashed by your islamic friends), 
who invaded Germany in order to remove Hitler and his regime, then you will 
be terribly wrong. And, while the damage to the countries, invaded by Hitler,
counts, nobody gives a sh*t about a damage to Germany itself. And, again,
rightfully so. Same thing about Iraq.

Cheers,
        Vitaly.

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:38:48 -0930
From: "Kevin JCJD Symons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Reply to email problem

Thanks for the help on my CFG files. I have another problem, and that is
that since the spikes hit I have been unable to reply to incoming
emails. Again, I have reinstalled, but this does not solve the problem.
I realise [hope] it is just a silly little mistake that I am making...

Can anyone help?

Kevin JCJD Symons
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:37:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reply to email problem

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Kevin JCJD Symons wrote:

> Thanks for the help on my CFG files. I have another problem, and that is
> that since the spikes hit I have been unable to reply to incoming
> emails. Again, I have reinstalled, but this does not solve the problem.
> I realise [hope] it is just a silly little mistake that I am making...
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Kevin JCJD Symons
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>        -- This mail was written UTGT, with biscuits in the oven! --
> -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/

Could it be possible that when you re-wrote your CFG files you
inadvertently entered a typo in the name of your SMTP server?

Another possibility is that your ISP might now require an "auth"
in order to use its SMTP server.

Sam Heywood
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:23:14 +0100
From: Casper Gielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is the meaning of this?

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Op donderdag 20 februari 2003 07:02, schreef Samuel W. Heywood:
> One of the spams I received today, subject: Cybergrama, looks like this:
>
> ------ begin quoted spam -------
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.


notice "multi-part" above


Part 1 starts here, it's the text part (content-type: text/plain)
>
> ------_NextPart_573286746526125
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
>
> Your Email Client does not support MIME encoding. Please upgrade to
> MIME-enabled Email Client (almost every modern Email Client is
> MIME-capable).
>


Part 2 starts here, it's the html part (content-type: text/html)
> ------_NextPart_573286746526125
> Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
>
> <html>
> <head>
> <title>Cybergrama</title>
> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;
> charset=3Diso-8859-1"> </head>
>
> [snipped all the rest of this unsolicited HTML advertisement]
>
> ------ end quoted spam -----
>
> I don't understand.
>
> Regardless of whatever email client I use for downloading and
> reading this spam message, wouldn't any normal email client
> display the text portion at the top of the message telling me
> about how my email client allegedly does not support MIME encoding?

No, the different parts of this e-mail are alternatives. Your e-mail client 
picks one for you to read. Some people/clients prefer text, others html.

>
> Do some "modern" email clients fail to display the normal text
> portion at the top of the message if an HTML attachment is present?

Yes, but it doesn't "fail". It doesn't display it, because it doesn't need to.

> If so, why would anyone want to use such an email client?

The general idea is that all the information is also in the HTML version.
The mail contains various forms of the same message. The client picks the most 
apropriate form. You might aswell add a PDF version to the mail, and a MS 
Word version, and one version using international encoding etc...
However, it's possible to not only change the form of the alternative parts, 
but also change the message. This spam is an example of that. The real 
message is in the HTML part, the text part only tells you that you should 
look at the HTML version.

>
> BTW, what is meant by saying that an email client doesn't support
> MIME encoding?  I don't even know of any email clients that are
> not capable of sending and receiving MIME encoded messages.  I do
> know of some email clients that require the use of external third
> party programs to perform the MIME encode/decode functions, but the
> email client programs themselves are perfectly capable of sending
> and receiving MIME encoded messages.
>
> Sam Heywood

Try to explain that to a non-technical user. To them it's either supported or 
not.

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No weapons of mass-destruction in Iraq? No
problem, we'll bring them some of our own.
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:36:10 -0930
From: "Kevin JCJD Symons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Reply to mail...

Re: my problem to having difficulty replying to incoming mail... I get a
"file://reply.dgi" page when I attempt to reply.

Kevin JCJD Symons

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:41:15 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is the meaning of this?

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:23:14 +0100, Casper Gielen wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1

> Op donderdag 20 februari 2003 07:02, schreef Samuel W. Heywood:
>> One of the spams I received today, subject: Cybergrama, looks like this:

>> ------ begin quoted spam -------

>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

> notice "multi-part" above

> Part 1 starts here, it's the text part (content-type: text/plain)

>> ------_NextPart_573286746526125
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

>> Your Email Client does not support MIME encoding. Please upgrade to
>> MIME-enabled Email Client (almost every modern Email Client is
>> MIME-capable).

> Part 2 starts here, it's the html part (content-type: text/html)
>> ------_NextPart_573286746526125
>> Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

>> <html>
>> <head>
>> <title>Cybergrama</title>
>> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;
>> charset=3Diso-8859-1"> </head>

>> [snipped all the rest of this unsolicited HTML advertisement]

>> ------ end quoted spam -----

>> I don't understand.

>> Regardless of whatever email client I use for downloading and
>> reading this spam message, wouldn't any normal email client
>> display the text portion at the top of the message telling me
>> about how my email client allegedly does not support MIME encoding?

> No, the different parts of this e-mail are alternatives. Your e-mail client
> picks one for you to read. Some people/clients prefer text, others html.

No, they are not alternatives because the HTML attachment does not
have the same content as the text part.  If it were a "dupe HTML"
email type, then, in the case of some email client programs, I would
have two alternative methods for displaying the same message.

1. as text
2. as rendered HTML

Whenever I receive a "dupe HTML" email message with Arachne I always
see the text portion and I have an option to click on the ikon to view
the same message as rendered HTML.  A most annoying problem with dupe
HTML emails is that the recipient doesn't know whether the message is
just a dupe HTML type unless he takes a look at the included attachment.
Sometimes an HTML attachment is included in an email for a legitimate
and acceptable reason.  If the content of the included HTML attachment
is different from the text part, then the inclusion of the HTML
attachment is legitimate and acceptable provided it contains no virus
trigger and and no java-loop and no tricky-bit read receipt.  The
problem with people who send emails of the dupe HTML type is that not
only do they lack the courtesy to refrain from sending emails of this
type, they lack also the courtesy of informing the recipient in the text
part that the included attachment is just a dupe HTML and that he
needn't waste his time in reading it.

>> Do some "modern" email clients fail to display the normal text
>> portion at the top of the message if an HTML attachment is present?

> Yes, but it doesn't "fail". It doesn't display it, because it doesn't need to.

It needs to display the text part if the content of the text part is
different from the included HTML attachment.

>> If so, why would anyone want to use such an email client?

> The general idea is that all the information is also in the HTML version.

There is no reason to assume this.  There are several subscibers to
this list who have at times posted messages containing HTML attachments
which had a content entirely different from the text part of their
messages.

> The mail contains various forms of the same message.

I have never received a dupe HTML type message in which it was
dutifully explained in the text part that the included HTML attachment
is just a different form of the same message.  In order to determine if
it is just a different form of the same message I have to take a look
at it and see for myself.

> The client picks the most
> apropriate form. You might aswell add a PDF version to the mail, and a MS
> Word version, and one version using international encoding etc...

How does the client know whether the message contains the same
information in different kinds of formats, or whether it contains
different sets of information, each set being in a different format?

> However, it's possible to not only change the form of the alternative parts,
> but also change the message. This spam is an example of that. The real
> message is in the HTML part, the text part only tells you that you should
> look at the HTML version.

Yes, that figures.  This spam is an example of a message having two
different sets of information, each set being in a different format.
If I were using an email client of the type recommended by the spammer
I wouldn't even know that he is sending me mixed signals.

>> BTW, what is meant by saying that an email client doesn't support
>> MIME encoding?  I don't even know of any email clients that are
>> not capable of sending and receiving MIME encoded messages.  I do
>> know of some email clients that require the use of external third
>> party programs to perform the MIME encode/decode functions, but the
>> email client programs themselves are perfectly capable of sending
>> and receiving MIME encoded messages.

>> Sam Heywood

> Try to explain that to a non-technical user. To them it's either supported or
> not.

The feature might not be "incorporated", but to me it is "supported"
if there is a very well known and easy to use work-around for doing
what you want to do with it.

Sam Heywood

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:02:49 -0500
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