arachne-digest Friday, June 6 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2142
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:40:11 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [A-list] Re: Saving a web page On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 9:37:7 +0000, J J Young wrote: > ======= On 2003-06-04 at 20:54:00 Glenn McCorkle wrote: ======= >> Since most of the images we encounter on the web are named in LFN format. >> It will be "next to imposible" to do it in DOS. >> That is why Arachne must save the files into the cache in 8.3 format. >> 8 numerical digits and a 3 character file extension. > Just FYI, the best known of the smaller current multi-platform (though > not DOS) browsers uses 8.3 filenames in its cache. When a webpage is > saved with images, the images are given 8.3 filenames based on their > originals (not those in cache) and the page source is re-written using > these names AND placing all the images in the same directory as the HTML. > Before Arachne's cache indexing went wrong, I'd occasionally save the > cache as a way to browse pages with images offline. A download manager > (WGET?) might be an option, but I don't know how/if the LFNs are handled. > Cheers, > Jake Young The Long File Names are not the subject although they might cause trouble. Many sites do use legal html, no javascript or other nasty things and images with 8.3 names... but these cannot easyly saved. All is in the cache... however with fancy numbered names and no clue to the original name that could be use by the HTML text file. There is a connection though... cache.idx In cache.idx the original names and the new ones in the cache are connected and it is possible to retrieve the data. But... I have to use a pen and paper (rather primitive) and do a lot searching if the cache is well filled. The history list (backspace key) will bring the site back to life if offline but no saving can be done... Can we direct the data to a file and not to the monitor (or both); that would solve the saving problem. Regards, Bastiaan ************************* Technische Redactie CQ-PA Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ ************************* Attentie: e-mail adres bij Wanadoo niet meer gebruiken! [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.hetnet.nl/~ba8tian/index.html - -- Virusvrij e-mailen? => Arachne browser/mailer - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:08:18 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: telix & LFS On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 18:03:01 +0900, Kali Mclaughlin wrote: > I use Telix as a wonderful program for establising communication to > other platforms and retrieving files. What goes wrong most commonly is > LFN. > Does anyone have ideas for making telix "see" long filenames? No, I don't unfortunately. But there may be a work-around. IIRC doing downloads with X-modem requires you to enter the name that the received file is to be saved under, whereas Y- and Z-modem preserve the original name and date of the file during the download. So using X-modem for your file downloads should solve the problem. The only hard part is that you need to work out what the new filename is to be. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:15:49 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: roast On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 19:05:24 +0900, Kali Mclaughlin wrote: > need as I drink red wine. You can get reasonably good claret here > for less than $6.00 US a litre. We can get a very drinkable claret here -- de Bortolli Special Claret -- for $10 for a 4 litre cask! It's better than a lot of more expensive bottled stuff! And of course that's AUD$10, about USD$6.50 at current exchange. > beans, but can buy excellent local coffee at $12US a kilo, roasted, > vacuum packed ground and all. One of the coffee bean shops in Adelaide's Central Market is selling Australian grown Blue Mountain coffee at AUD$9.50/kg. > Flowtack only pays its workers intermittently, but we have lots of good > coffee, great food, and other inducements. See whether they will transfer you here. Maybe Flowtack would like to open a South Aussie branch <G> from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:53:53 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list Re: version 0.b7 On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:22:59 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > It baffles me why it doesn't get fixed. I guess he simply doesn't > have the time. I'll be charitable and accept that explanation, although IMO it shows a wrong order of priorities. But then I don't know his circumstances so I shouldn't pass judgement. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:06:25 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: A-list: Wishlist (again) DISCUSSION AND WISHLIST RE SEND MAIL AND GET MAIL. I have set up my own personal control page to include the buttons Send Mail and Get Mail. I click on one of these buttons and the respective operation SMPT: or POP3: takes place. Meanwhile I am looking at my own page as the mail is up or downloaded. But as soon as the Send or Get is finished, I am transferred to either the (now empty) Outbox or to the Inbox. And that prompts a question: What earthly use is it to be presented with the empty Outbox once the SMPT: function has finished uploading the mail, other than to show you that all the mail has been uploaded? And surely if the upload was aborted for any reason there would be an error message to that effect. But here is where I have problems: After an up or download of mail, the temptation is to press Esc (equivalent to the Back button) to get back to my personal page, but of course this takes me to the SMPT: or the POP3: function, which tries to send or get mail again, even though there isn't any left to send or get. My first preference would be that once SMPT: or POP3: function is finished, the user should be left on the screen that the function was called from. My second preference is that the SMPT: or POP3: should NOT be able to be recalled by the Back button. If this means they shouldn't appear in the HISTORY.LST then that's fine by me. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:09:13 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: A-list... Compose, Reply, or Modify mail Here is an interesting problem I've noticed with the Compose Mail or Reply, or the Modify outgoing mail functions: If I edit the To: CC: Subject: and Attachments: fields, then I use the external editor to write the message or reply, when I return, the above fields have all reverted to what they were before I entered data or editied them. This is obviously a nuisance, as one is inclined to fill in these fields first, since they are at the top of the page, before one edits the message. Is there any reason why it should be so? from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:51:38 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #2133 On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:07:09 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > Well, Gregg, different people have different preferances. I'm lazy, > dislkike sorting, often don't have time to move stuff to different > folders, etc. Keeping the Inbox empty requires effort. Having the > index go to the last unread message could be automatic and require > no effort at all. I like stuff like that. Let the computer do the > work. Sorry, Sam, I didn't mean to give offence. Unfortunately I get very uptight and righteous about people doing the things I wish I could stop myself from doing <G> "We have done those things which we ought not to have done, and left undone those things which we ought to have done..." > I once had three thousand messages in my Pine inbox and it didn't > slow things down at all. Yikes! Did you ever get around to reading them all? At times I've had such a backlog of messages from FIDO that I've had to delete a lot of them unread, but it makes me feel guilty to do it ;^\ > Please remember that I've said that new features should always be > options. You can have it your way and I can have it mine. Of course they should. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:55:17 -0700 From: Rick Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: cable modem vs rachne Run: ARA171UE.EXE All seems fine ... until: Packet Driver not loaded. or, Packet Driver not sitting @ irq 0X060 or, Link support layer not loaded or, ... etc. erreeeurrrr .... later, rick [geeze, Michael promised me "user friendly" in 1997] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:01:25 -0700 From: Rick Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: roast uummm, WallyWorld generic. Works for me, YUCK! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:04:03 +0000 From: "Ross Virgin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Wish List .. . Glenn McCorkle Really great to see your continuing interest and efforts, Glenn. That 512 maximum for Arachne... is that just for the Inbox, or is that 512 max for a POP3 download, or is that 512 maximum for all Folders combined ??? Ross Virgin Toronto, Canada No, you will not SARS from my e-mails. .. .. On Tue, 27 May 2003 19:55:53 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2003 07:53:00 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: >> On Tue, 27 May 2003 15:13:40 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: >>>> Arachne works ok for low volume situations and is easy to setup >>>> and use. It just has limitations. And it's not apt to be "fixed" >>>> any time soon because of the small number of users. >>> 1. My situation is low volume... 34 messages today is still classed as >>> low, isn't it? >>> 2. AFAIK Glenn McCorkle is still working on upgrades of Arachne, >>> regardless of the low number of users. Maybe its weaknesses will be >>> "fixed" one day. >> Yep, 34 messages is low volume. If you had a couple of hundred to >> sort through then Arachne's Insight would drive you crazy. >> Yes, we can hope that improvements are coming from Glenn and perhaps >> from others. > Sam, > Over 2 years ago, as a test.....sent 600 messages to my own address. > I found then that the limit in Arachne is 512. > What is it that you would like to be able to do in sorting of > large numbers of messages ? > So-long-as what you'de like is not 'too complex'. > I'll see if I can accommodate your request. > -- > Glenn > http://arachne.cz/ > http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ > http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ > http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ - -- Arachne V1.66, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 02:26:52 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Saving a web page On 5 Jun 03 at 15:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Reply to Sender: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply to List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:08:33 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: > >> Hi List... >> Does anuone know how to save a web page? >It will be "next to imposible" to do it in DOS. When I needed to save a complete web site to a floppy I tried this approach: 1. I boot to Linux and download the complete site with wget into the Linux file system. 2. I have a look at the file names: a) There are no files with first 8 characters identical - so I copy the file tree to the DOS partition and get 8.3 file names that I can browse with Arachne. (In that case it would have been easier to use the DOS version of wget) b) I realize that there are not more than ten files with the first 7 characters identical: I use a bash script that - - picks any group of files with first 7 characters identical and replaces the 8th character with 0 to 9 - - replaces all references to these files in HTML tags (href, img etc.) within all other files of the entire tree c) If there are more than 10 files with the same beginning or the file system of the site is more complex (recursion needed, references may include or do not include the path) it turns out to be ... close to impossible (as Glenn already stated before). Christof Lange ________________________________________________________________ Ceskobratrska cirkev evangelicka - Betlemska kaple na Zizkove Prokopova 4/216, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic Tel. (+420) 222 78 06 73 / 222 78 20 02 http://www.volny.cz/cce.zizkov ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:15:28 -0400 From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: cable modem vs rachne Rick, If you feel brave, e- me privately and bring me up to date with your problem. I've been running Araschne on cable modem [just like it was LAN, even have added a router] for years & years ... no problem with Arachne. I haven't been following the list too well ... However -- to the other gurus -- no matter what I do I can no longer use the CUTE FTP or Telnet ... I've tried setting up stuff in config file and that didn't do the job either. Any ideas from you that would allow me to go from my 'puter through a router into my ISP would be *greatly* appreciated. l.d. ==== On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:55:17 -0700, Rick Orr wrote: > Run: ARA171UE.EXE > All seems fine ... until: > Packet Driver not loaded. > or, > Packet Driver not sitting @ irq 0X060 > or, > Link support layer not loaded > or, > ... etc. > erreeeurrrr .... > later, > rick > [geeze, Michael promised me "user friendly" in 1997] - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:08:36 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: cable modem vs rachne On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:55:17 -0700, Rick Orr wrote:D00, Rick Orr wrote: > Run: ARA171UE.EXE > All seems fine ... until: > Packet Driver not loaded. > or, > Packet Driver not sitting @ irq 0X060 > or, > Link support layer not loaded > or, > ... etc. > erreeeurrrr .... Which one are you using ? This is the current version. 1039397 12-17-02 23:50 ARA171UE.EXE If that's not the one you have. Please grab the latest version from http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ _____________ Check this line in arachne.cfg Connection @LH epppd.exe>>PPP.LOG I just checked it and the only place where that is located in the *current* distribution package is in glennmcc.acf So, if you used *my* setup by 'clicking' on glennmcc.acf *and* you don't have enough high memory available for the packet driver to be loaded high...... If 'LH' is there... remove it. - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:13:27 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Wish List On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 21:04:03 +0000, Ross Virgin wrote: > ... > .. > Glenn McCorkle > Really great to see your continuing interest and > efforts, Glenn. > That 512 maximum for Arachne... is that just for > the Inbox, or is that 512 max for a POP3 download, > or is that 512 maximum for all Folders combined ??? <snip> >> Sam, >> Over 2 years ago, as a test.....sent 600 messages to my own address. >> I found then that the limit in Arachne is 512. That *was* the old limit for any *one* folder. Be it 'inbox', 'outbox', \mail\oldstuff\*.mes, etc... etc.... The *new* limit is now 1024 But since you are still usimng v1.66..... You are still stuck with 512 - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:36:32 +1000 From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Saving a web page Hi Folks, >> On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:08:33 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: >>> Hi List... >>> Does anuone know how to save a web page? >> It will be "next to imposible" to do it in DOS. I do it all the time. :) But.... There is no easy substitute for saving ALL, repeat ALL, the files involved, as 8.3 file names, remembering what each one is, then editing the .HTM code to match those file names. Except ..... More often than not, it is possible to use WGET (as mentioned before) to regressively retrieve the whole website. HOWEVER ... WGET does not deal with file names longer than 8.3 ! So you had better check for long file names of graphics, sound files, multimedia files, etc.. before you start, otherwise each matching file will overwrite the previous one. Regards, Ron Ron Clarke AUSREG Consultancy http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html Tadpole Tunes http://tadpole.mytunebook.de/ - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:58:26 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list... Compose, Reply, or Modify mail On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:09:13 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: > Here is an interesting problem I've noticed with the Compose Mail or > Reply, or the Modify outgoing mail functions: > If I edit the To: CC: Subject: and Attachments: fields, then I use the > external editor to write the message or reply, when I return, the above > fields have all reverted to what they were before I entered data or > editied them. > This is obviously a nuisance, as one is inclined to fill in these fields > first, since they are at the top of the page, before one edits the > message. > Is there any reason why it should be so? This nuisance you have reported has been commented on many times before. There is most probably a reason why it should be so. Now that we have a GPL version of Arachne there might some hope of fixing it. IMHO, fixing this problem should go on the back burner for now because it is just a minor nuisance for those who are aware of the problem and know how to deal with it. Also because some of the most minor nuisances are often among the most difficult to fix. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:03:50 +0100 From: "Joerg Dietze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: cable modem vs rachne Hi L.D. and all, On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:15:28 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: <snip> > However -- to the other gurus -- no matter what I do I can no longer use > the CUTE FTP or Telnet ... I've tried setting up stuff in config file > and that didn't do the job either. Any ideas from you that would allow > me to go from my 'puter through a router into my ISP would be *greatly* > appreciated. <snip> I'm running Arachne and a couple of other internet apps through a router with no problems. What kind of router do You have? Most of the hardware routers have built in fire wall capabilities. If this is the caes with Your hardware You should enable ports 20 and 21 in the firewall for FTP and port 23 for telnet (this is called "virtual server" with my Level One Router). Most of these devices can be configured via browser (JS may be required :-() by accesing the IP of the router via http. HTH Regards Joerg - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 9:57:5 +0000 From: "J J Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [A-list] Re: Saving a web page Best regards, Jake Young ======= On 2003-06-05 at 02:26:00 Christof wrote: ======= <snipped stuff similar to that written about by Jondo at AQC over the past year or so> >c) If there are more than 10 files with the same beginning or the file >system of the site is more complex (recursion needed, references >may include or do not include the path) it turns out to be > >.... close to impossible (as Glenn already stated before). But very simple (for the "Doze morons") and clearly possible using any of the past several generations of the Opera browser. There are sites out there to parse content for PDA users, and somebody with the wit and will could do similar for Arachne. In the meantime, within reason, I'll save pages with images (all to one directory, which is how Opera does it), zip them up and mail them to anyone who sends an email with subject: [A-list] Jake, save this webpage and the URLs in the message body. Please do NOT send any request via the A-list! When I first got online I did alot of hand editing of saved pages to get close to the printer-friendly versions available these days. I assumed that the developers of the major browsers had given little thought to saving content for offline use because American users weren't faced with monthly phone-bills of $75 or more for metered access. My own pages make minimal use of image content, but always have the images and style sheet (if linked) placed in the same directory, for easy saving. I include a human-readable link to the online version, so it can be found from a printed copy. As I no longer upload regularly from Win3.1x I've dropped 8.3 filenames, but try to use LFNs which truncate somewhat usefully for photo collections e.g.: wm01-640x480-2002-06-windmill-from-south-east.jpg The 8.3 user is left with an indication of the subject, its position in the sequence, and its screen size. Cheers, Jake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:28:23 From: Alejandro Lieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: telix & LFS On 5 Jun 03 at 10:08, Greg Mayman wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 18:03:01 +0900, Kali Mclaughlin wrote: > > > I use Telix as a wonderful program for establising communication to > > other platforms and retrieving files. What goes wrong most commonly is > > LFN. Does anyone have ideas for making telix "see" long filenames? > > No, I don't unfortunately. But there may be a work-around. > > IIRC doing downloads with X-modem requires you to enter the name that > the received file is to be saved under, whereas Y- and Z-modem preserve the > original name and date of the file during the download. > > So using X-modem for your file downloads should solve the problem. The only > hard part is that you need to work out what the new filename is to be. Daily, I download html pages (as text) from a UNIX shell that uses LYNX, using Kermits and Z-modem. In both cases, I can rename those files. Some CNN news can be named as 1.5.1 or 3.4.2 If I forget to rename them, I can disconect the phone line only by rebooting the computer. Free good Sans Serif fonts for MS-DOS at: http://www.limasa.com.ar/novafont.zip Configurable dialing menu for several DOS internet programs at: http://www.limasa.com.ar/dial_ip.zip - ---------------------- Ing. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina lima[at]citynet.net.ar - ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:24:57 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A-list: Wishlist (again) On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:06:25 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: > DISCUSSION AND WISHLIST RE SEND MAIL AND GET MAIL. > I have set up my own personal control page to include the buttons Send > Mail and Get Mail. > I click on one of these buttons and the respective operation SMPT: or > POP3: takes place. Meanwhile I am looking at my own page as the mail is > up or downloaded. But as soon as the Send or Get is finished, I am > transferred to either the (now empty) Outbox or to the Inbox. > And that prompts a question: What earthly use is it to be presented with > the empty Outbox once the SMPT: function has finished uploading the > mail, other than to show you that all the mail has been uploaded? And > surely if the upload was aborted for any reason there would be an error > message to that effect. Upload at my provider is sometimes not done (1 in 6 times) without any error message. If there are long files to be sent the upload time is very short and I'll be warned by that. Otherwise the outbox is not empty and I am warned too. Regards, Bastiaan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:17:00 +0300 From: "Vladimir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ftp manager like volkov commander Hi, All. thanks Glenn for answer about gpl... i will wait "official" publication of the arachne 1.73. :-/ now, please, may be someone answer me is there ftp manager for dos like a disk managers such as volkov commander or others? i think of this type not... because i don't found it. of course may be i had bad finds.:-) but it is very simple idea - two panels ftp-manager, why nobody not make this. i don't understand. regards, Vladimir. - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jun 2003 09:03:13 -0700 From: "Huertas Poletski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Are You A Septic Tank Holder? - --67JCIR5jxPoXn4tf34ASY32ao2f5ehG0an7QXb34w28e0OgBAVVxyCkO1iY4Dp5cbvdY2d4oF3am Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" <HTML><CENTER><FONT SIZE=3 FACE=ARIAL COLOR=#6444A6><B RR> Dramatically Increase The Life And Effectiveness of Your Septic System.</B> <BR><BR><A HREF=http://www.salesplussales.net/spc1/><FONT SIZE=2 FACE=ARIAL COLOR=#E04A1F><B RR>Try SPC Septic Cleaner For Free By Clicking Here</B></A> <BR><BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE=ARIAL COLOR=BLACK RR>You'll keep your septic system free flowing as SPC breaks down large waste materials into smaller<BR RR> particles and liquids so that they pass quickly through your septic system.<BR><BR><A HREF=http://www.salesplussales.net/spc1/><FONT SIZE=2 FACE=ARIAL COLOR=#E04A1F><B RR>Visit our site and try it for free.</B></A> <BR><BR><FONT COLOR=#C8C8C8 SIZE=1 RR>unsubscribe your email now <A href=http://www.salesplussales.net/spc1/remove/remove.htm RR>here</A><BR RR><!-- SWfQ2ANDNYd0tMMDYtMDZlMmlNTTFIMjU=XrIULxWkkf4H5l01n8jum28320 --></HTML> - --67JCIR5jxPoXn4tf34ASY32ao2f5ehG0an7QXb34w28e0OgBAVVxyCkO1iY4Dp5cbvdY2d4oF3am-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:14:23 -0700 From: Rick Orr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: cable modem vs rachne > Which one are you using ? I snagged ar171sfx.zip from your site Glenn ... I tried all the included packet drivers & maybe this net card doesn't like them. Just went to Intel & got their old driver package [prodos2.exe] ... will try that. Or any other suggestions? Of course my cable company [Charter Communications] says anything lower then WIN95 isn't supported ;-) later, rick ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2142 ******************************
