arachne-digest Thursday, May 29 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2132
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: version 0.b7 On Wed, 28 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You are a member of one of the smallest and most difficult-to-join groups > in all of the world ... > > ... the group of individuals who have successfully unsubscribed from the > arachne list. > > Few *mere mortals* have such bragging rights. Then you may not want to hear that I've subscribed and unsubscribed at least 7 or 8 times... ;-) - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:00:05 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: grab mail headers only..... On Tue, 27 May 2003 04:26:35 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:10:59 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: >> On Tue, 27 May 2003 15:13:30 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: > <snip> >> Someone (now who was it? d***ed if I can remember) told me that he >> downloads the headers only, selects which messages he wants then >> downloads just those, while deleting everything from the mail server. >> I can't even remember what software he is using. Just thought I'd >> mention it. SI know how to add this little 'feature' to Arachne ;-) >> But I find Arachne's system of letting me browse the index of the inbox >> is satisfactory for me. > The way I do it is by connecting to a remote shell account and then > running PINE. PINE accesses the mail server and downloads all the > message headers being the "date", "from", and "subject" all being > displayed on just one line for each message. Then, by judging from the > headers, I mark all the obvious spams and viruses for deletion. I don't > even have to open and read a message to mark it for deletion. Next I > press a key to delete from the server "en masse" all the messages marked > for deletion. Then I exit PINE and I close my connection to the remote > shell. Then I start Arachne. Using Arachne I download all the remaining > messages from the mail server. FYI, I know how to add this little 'feature' to Arachne ;-) Anyone interested ??? <g g g> - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:03:06 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Lookout question? On Tue, 27 May 2003 14:21:55 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2003 08:36:13 -0400, Roger Turk wrote: <snip> > I first viewed Roger's message quoted above with PINE running on a remote > shell. Then I exited PINE and closed my connection to the remote shell > and I started up Arachne and downloaded all the messages from my mail > server. > When I viewed Roger's message when using PINE the text body appeared > as though it were all inserted base64 code. No part of the text body > was humanly legible. > When I downloaded the message with Arachne and viewed it under Arachne > the message was displayed to me in the same way I would see any other > perfectly normal text email message. > This is the first time anything like this has happened in my viewing > of emails. Normally when I am sent an ordinary text message the > message is displayed by PINE the same way as in Arachne. > What happened? Comments? Perhaps a glitch in the matrix. ;-) - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:10:38 -0400 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: version 0.b7 On Wed, 28 May 2003 16:30:12 -0400 (EDT), Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 28 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> You are a member of one of the smallest and most difficult-to-join groups >> in all of the world ... >> ... the group of individuals who have successfully unsubscribed from the >> arachne list. >> Few *mere mortals* have such bragging rights. > Then you may not want to hear that I've subscribed and > unsubscribed at least 7 or 8 times... ;-) Have you unsubbed anytime during the last 8 months ? AFAIK, No-one has been able to unsub during that time. I just tried it yet again for the umpteenth time. This is all that happens. Majordomo instantly replies with: >>>> unsubscribe arachne >>> Sorry, an error has occurred while processing your request >>> The caretaker of Majordomo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has been notified >>> of the problem. - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/ http://www.cisnet.com/glennmcc/aqc/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:17:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: version 0.b7 On Wed, 28 May 2003, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > Have you unsubbed anytime during the last 8 months ? > > AFAIK, > No-one has been able to unsub during that time. The last time was about 27-28 months ago. - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:08:52 -0700 From: "OLA WILLIAMS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: urgent assistance DEAR SIR, May it not be a suprise to recieve this letter from me ,considering the fact that you do not know me. First I must seek for your understanding and pray that God will give you the wisdom to understand my problem and be in a position to help as you will be surely blessed as you help. I am MR OLA WILLIAMS,I am 41 Years old and also the chief accountant with Gulf Bank Nig PLC . I have a transaction which I think will be of mutual benefit to both of us. In my desire for a foreign partner with whom to do this transaction, I stumbled on your contact from a business directory. As the head of accounts department of GBNP, I discovered some amount of money while I was auditing accounts for the 2001 financial year which has been lying there for over 3 years. On further inquiry, I discovered that this money totalling about USD$2O.5 Million (Twenty Million! five hundred thousand United States Dollars) including accumulated interest which belonged to one MR. HUANG L. TANAGA ,a korea Nationale who lived here and died intestate without providing anybody to claim the money. This man died through a plane crash of ADC airlines in 1998. I have Successfully secured the money and with the assistance of my colleague, the money has been moved out of my bank and deposited in a security company. It was packed in three(3)metal trunk boxes as photographic materials. I would need your particulars to enable me prepare documents which will authenticate that the Consignment belongs to you as the next of kin to MR. HUANG L. TANAGA and to enable you claim the money since nobody has come to claim the money,because according to the law here if by the end of this year nobody comes up for the money it will be deposited into the government account. I want to be assured of a safe account where the money ! will be deposited pending my arrival. This transaction is absolutely risk free with no legal complications as we have made arrangements to secure all the legal documents that will free us from any litigation, I have made all necessary arrangements with the security company ,that as soon as i get your confirmation of interest in this venture,we shall put in all the necessary paper which will authorize the security company to lift the funds out of here to their offshore security company somewhere in Europe where you will travel to claim the funds . Before this money is entrusted into your care, you must assure me that the following terms listed below will be maintained between us. 1.BOTH PARTIES WILL NOT FOR ANY REASON CHEAT EACH OTHER. 2.BOTH PARTIES WILL WORK TOGETHER TO SEE THIS TRANSACTION THROUGH. 3.A HIGH DEGREE OF TRUST AND CONFIDENTIALITY WILL BE APPLIED FOR THE SAKE OF OUR WORK. 4.I AND MY PARTNER WILL STRONGLY BE BY YOUR SID! E AS YOU CLAIM THIS FUND AND I AND MY PARTNER WILL ARRAGE AN ATTORNEY(LAWYER)WHO WILL WORK ON YOUR BEHALF TO GET THE NECESSARY PAPERS NEEDED FOR A SMOOTH TRANSACTION. 5.YOU WILL NOT DISAPPEAR WITH OUR FUND AFTER YOU HAVE CLAIMED IT. 6.DISBURSEMENT RATIO WILL BE 70% FOR ME AND MY COLLEAGUE,30% FOR YOU. Finally I want you to note that we are going to spend money where necessary to make this venture work out successfully.There is need for you to confirm your interest in this transcation immediately as to enable us finalize this issue as soon as possible. I must let you know that a high degree of trust is required and also we will like to use our own share to go into any lucrative business with your help/assistance.Please reply through,email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Awaiting your urgent response now. Yours Faithfully OLA WILLIAMS EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:25:45 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: (A-list)Re: NEW MONEY Hi Glenn. Your message apparently came direct to me, not through the Arachne list. Was that intentional? On Tue, 27 May 2003 23:01:54 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > <RANT MODE ON> > WHO THE HELL DO THEY THINK THEY ARE ???? They are the ones who have to protect poor little M$idiots who can't protect themselves. > *I* AM THE ONE WHO IS *PAYING* FOR THIS SERVICE. Damn right! > *I* SHOULD BE THE ONE WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT *I* WILL OR WILL NOT READ. Right again! > NOT *THEM*. > </RANT MODE OFF> There, there, Glenn. We all agree with you. Now go and drink a cup of chamomile tea and lie down till the red haze fades away ;-) But there should be a way to turn off the filters selectively for each client, not too damn easy otherwise the M$idiots would have it off when they needed it on. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:36:25 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Newsgroups (NNTP) with Arachne On Thu, 22 May 2003 02:10:22 -0600, Glenn Gilbreath Jr. wrote: > If anybody wants a copy of my NETNEWS.BAT and NETNEWS.OOK > files, just dwnd an email! > C U L8R! > Wiz <{;-) > Wizard57M > Glenn Gilbreath Jr. > http://members.surfbest.net/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/index.htm > -- DOS Internet, Close Windows and Keep the Internet Open! -- I tried to send an email via the email link on the web page but it was returned as undeliverable. So herewith I request those batchfiles. I've downloaded the news software from your site, but so far I haven't had any spare time to experiment with it. But soon... Thanks a million. from Greg Mayman, in Adelaide, South Australia "Queen City of the South" 34:55S 138:36E http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/greg_mayman/default.htm - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 03:26:44 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Garbage, Spam or Virus????? On Tue, 27 May 2003 17:24:09 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > And if you should even once respond to a spam (sometimes just going > to a suggested website is all it takes) then you will get on a list > of "email responders". Lists of "email responders" are a hot item > in the spam trade. How can they find out your email address just by your going to their advertised web site and the only thing you do there is to just take a looksee? The only way I can figure how they could do that is if they named a different web site for each article of spam sent and the named web site corresponds to the spam article sent to your email address only. Do spammers do things like that? It would seem to me that there isn't enough money in the spamming business for spammers to consider it worthwhile to go to so much extra effort and expense. Some legitimate and reputable businesses that you have asked to hear from via email do things like that, but in their case it is not a dirty trick. It is just one of their ways of monitoring the sucess of a perfectly legitimate marketing activity. They already know your email address anyway because you have voluntarily opted in. They will let you voluntarily opt out just as easily as you opted in. Because they respect your right to opt out, and because they hope you will not exercise your right to do so, they aren't going to send you any ads having any obnoxious and offensive content. They will send you only some ads about things which you have voluntarily told them that you are interested in. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 03:28:01 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: grab mail headers only..... On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:00:05 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2003 04:26:35 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: >> On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:10:59 +0930, Greg Mayman wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 May 2003 15:13:30 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: >> <snip> > FYI, > I know how to add this little 'feature' to Arachne ;-) > Anyone interested ??? <g g g> The advantage of having a feature to grab headers only is that we would not have to suffer such a waste of time while waiting for very large spams and viruses to download. I sometimes get spams as big as 290 kilobytes! It sure would be nice if we could just simply mark and delete "en masse" all of the most obvious spams and viruses on the server without having to open them and look at them and to waste our time downloading them. PINE does this very nicely. It sure would be nice to have such an excellent feature in Arachne. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:31:54 -0500 From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: version 0.b7 On Wed, 28 May 2003 12:33:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You are a member of one of the smallest and most difficult-to-join groups > in all of the world ... > .... the group of individuals who have successfully unsubscribed from the > arachne list. > Few *mere mortals* have such bragging rights. Back in the day when the list was actually maintained by an interested human being it was a trivial matter to unsubscribe. I once did it two or three times in one day as I was testing various things. No biggee. But that was then. Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA - -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:44:40 -0500 From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Garbage, Spam or Virus????? On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:26:44 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2003 17:24:09 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: >> And if you should even once respond to a spam (sometimes just going >> to a suggested website is all it takes) then you will get on a list >> of "email responders". Lists of "email responders" are a hot item >> in the spam trade. > How can they find out your email address just by your going > to their advertised web site and the only thing you do there > is to just take a looksee? I don't know how it happens either. But I was curious once and clicked and got a message saying "thanks for your interest" and almost immediately I started getting spam by the bushel. It is almost all in HTML only, is sent via Outlook Express and has a list of recipients with the same ISP as mine. Before I clicked, I hardly ever got spammed. I have no proof, but it's quite a coincidence. 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I once did it . > two or three times in one day as I was testing various things. No . > biggee. . > But that was then. But it seems that the then interested human being that maintained the list does not understand the irreparable harm ignoring the plight of list subscribers can do to the reputation of Arachne Labs. Is this the support that potential clients can expect for a product if the interest of the CEO suddenly changes? Roger Turk Tucson, Arizona ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:12:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Garbage, Spam or Virus????? On Wed, 28 May 2003, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2003 17:24:09 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > > How can they find out your email address just by your going > to their advertised web site and the only thing you do there > is to just take a looksee? I throw almost all of my spams away immediately, but I do have one example hanging around of one way they do this: http://www.xxx.com/click.php?entrypage_id=9999&partner_id=424927&niche=NICHE_ID This particular URL passes an entry page number and a partner ID, so the parent site knows whom to credit. It's just as easy to have an "e-mail ID" (even though it's not labelled as such) included in the URL. Sometimes this can look as innocuous as http://xxx.com/XzsTv. That last bit is actually an encoded version of your e-mail address. (For an example of how this can work, look at http://tinyurl.com for one... not saying tinyurl is ever involved in spam, just that the same type of hash can be used to encode your e-mail address in a URL.) There are also e-mails containing extra-info inline graphics names for those who are viewing in arachne or other HTML mail readers while online. <a href "http://xxx.com/";> <img src ="http://xxx.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]"> </a> The graphic is displayed in your e-mail as if there is no additional info on the filename, but your e-mail address is recorded in their web logs because it's part of the graphic filename you downloaded. > The only way I can figure how they could do that is if they > named a different web site for each article of spam sent and > the named web site corresponds to the spam article sent to > your email address only. Do spammers do things like that? As you've already surmised, no. However, they do create a site, make a mass mailing, and then once the site is shut down due to complaints, just move the content on to the next site they've registered. The same content can be moved through dozens of sites as the ISPs "chase" him along. The best way to figure out how spammers verify your active address is to simply look at what they send you. In Arachne, F6 (IIRC) or in PINE, hit "H." - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:18:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Garbage, Spam or Virus????? On Thu, 29 May 2003, Sam Ewalt wrote: > I don't know how it happens either. But I was curious once and > clicked and got a message saying "thanks for your interest" and > almost immediately I started getting spam by the bushel. It is almost > all in HTML only, is sent via Outlook Express and has a list of > recipients with the same ISP as mine. Before I clicked, I hardly ever > got spammed. > > I have no proof, but it's quite a coincidence. Oh, yeah, one other device. Well it's really just another implementation of one I've already covered. They'll sometimes send an e-mail that appears to have no graphics, but has a little <img src ="http://xxx.com/1.gif?xXyus";> The gif is simply a 1x1 pixel that's transparent. Third party ad trackers use this on their clients' web pages too... usually along a more recognizable format of <img src="http://xxx.com/1x1.gif?clientsite.com";> Hitbox (or is it bizrate) advertises that they do this in e-mail they send out. - -- Steve Ackman http://twoloonscoffee.com (Need green beans?) http://twovoyagers.com (glass, linux & other stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:35:51 -0500 From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: What are you doing wrong? [was Re: Arachne Wish List On Tue, 27 May 2003 15:13:30 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2003 07:53:00 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: >> Yep, 34 messages is low volume. If you had a couple of hundred to >> sort through then Arachne's Insight would drive you crazy. > I often have multi-hundred messages to plow through, I've used IE & N > both on 'top end' machines, and Arachne is the best way to get rid of > crap quickly & easily that I've found. I've never used IE or N for email, so I wouldn't know how Arachne copares to them. I'll take your word for it in that regard. My benchmark for email performance is Pine from a Unix shell, which even on low end equipment will run circles around Arachne eight days a week. By comparison Arachne is slow and kludgy. Pine is direct and robust. The index takes you automatically to the first unread message and gives you the sender and subject in an easily read format that lets you see twenty five or thirty emails at a glance. You can hold down the delete key if you want and mark all the messages for deletion, you can select, read, forward, save to folders, whatever. You can harvest addresses to lists. You can reply to all recipients. You can search through directories for the files you want to attach and attach them. And you can do all of this easily, without special knowledge or ability just by reading the prompts and included helpscreens. It was designed to be easy to use for the uninitiated and have the features needed by academics who swim in vast seas of text. You can read and post to newsgroups. Sent mail is saved by the month. You can set up all sorts of nifty filters. And on and on. All of this and more in lightning fast text mode. It smokes. It would be worth the trouble to get a shell account if you had to manage a large volume of email text. Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA - -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2132 ******************************
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