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Hello Fellow Arachnephobes! OK, I didn't quote the thread about HotMail, god only knows what else MS will do to STOP any and all alternatives. The thing is, MS is very much involved with US "national security" interests at the moment. WinXP has been installed in numerous military computer systems, MS IE is the "browser of choice", and home users who decide to purchase a new computer are faced with the choice of WinXP Home or WinXP Professional. I do believe I warned everyone about this. The time for action was actually at least 2 years ago, maybe more. That's when I decided to limit my exposure to MS products, although I still find I must use Win95 on occassion. The battle was never really being fought, nothing like the old browser wars of the late 90s'. Anyway, what is one to do? Here you go: 1. Give up NetScape...yes, I know, many of you have had NS installed for a decade. The problem is, NS is no longer being developed, and what they call NetScape is in reality America Online! So, give it up. 2. Upgrade your Win9X to...Windows 3.1! That's right, I said Win31! Why? With Win3X you can use Trumpet, or even the Shiva dialer from MS IE 3.0 that is free. Trumpet Winsock doesn't handle everything...I prefer Shiva, and have it available for d/l. I know, it's still "Windows", but...it is 16 bit, and so far none of the latest email trojans and viruses have ANY effect on Win3X. You say you need a browser...sure you do, so get a copy of Opera 3.62! I can check anything with Opera that is normally requiring IE 5.5 or later! That includes HotMail (which I have not been able to even get Windows 95 with IE 5.01 SP2 to access in over 2 months!). There's a host of free software for Win3X also. 3. Install and use Arachne 1.71 UE01...if your ISP will not provide you with the needed settings to get connected, FIRE THEIR ASS! Get another ISP dammit! There are still services available that will work just great with Arachne and DOS. You need web based email? Easy enough...try Softhome, www.softhome.net, you can even use it "standalone" without the web interface, just like a regular POP3/SMTP service. You need a web site? While not "point and shoot" easy, I still use my old Geocities page, www.geocities.com, even though it is now part of Yahoo. I have found that sometimes I need Lynx 386 DOS to do maintainance on the site, as well as check Yahoo Mail and my Yahoo Group, but, at least it is still usable. (Side bar to Sam H.---NO, Yahoo is NOT, I repeat, NOT a "haven for spammers, pornographers, hackers", so please, get over it...the address you see that appears to be a Yahoo address is a "spoof"...remember how I spoofed your own address with the old DosLynx list about 3 years ago? It was not intentional, but it happened. Most Yahoo users are legitimate users.) I apologize for any toes I may have stepped on. But sometimes, you just have to call "a spade a spade". It does absolutely no good to chit-chat amongst ourselves about our inability to access this or that on the web with Arachne. Most so-called "web masters" couldn't master tying their shoelaces...they simply use IE and FrontPage to create a "cool looking site". Folks, we have few choices. We can continue to ignore the problems, bitch to each other on this list, and I guarantee that within 2 years, we will not even have this choice! We can follow the crowd, go buy the latest version of WinXX with IEXX...that solves your access problems, but what about everyone else? Or, we can, as I and others have tried, make solutions to the problems. This can be by way of writing software that works inside or with Arachne to access a service. Or, it can be by way of making other software that we have found to work AVAILABLE for download to others! Not only making it available, but help them get it going. Unfortunately, the majority of people I know opt for the second option and just go purchase new hardware with WinXP and IE 6. This only strengthens MS's stranglehold on the Net, not to mention the virtual lock on home user desktops. I've ranted enough. I know that was quite long, and probably hard to swallow. I've been fairly quiet for sometime on this as well as other e-lists I am a member of. Guess I had quite a bit to say, hehe. I wish each of you a great weekend. Help yourselves and each other. Write letters, not emails, to your governmental representatives, outlining the problems faced by those of us with "alternative" software. One last comment...those of us without any real "disability", just think about the hardships faced by those with disabilities! Can you even comprehend how difficult it would be to browse the web WITHOUT SITE? How about check email without your eyes? Or, type a reply letter without hands or fingers? I have friends that quite frankly do not enjoy the Internet anymore, because the screen reader software they purchased for 2 to 3 thousand dollars no longer functions properly. Imagine trying to browse with a screen reader, with a JavaScript enabled browser, and all those popups, popunders, popovers etc ads! If we, the users of alternative software, are vocal enough, we might can stop this insane march to MS's drum. One or two users can't do it, it will take as many as we can find. <---steps off the soap box C U L8R! Wiz <{;-) Shit fire, people! (Excuse me a minute, I need to vent!) We have absolutely NOBODY but ourselves to blame for the present mess the Internet and WWW is in! While many have stood around for a year or longer, blaming MS for this, AOL for that, yada, yada, yada, we let all those folks take away OUR access to the Internet! All it would have taken a couple of years ago was maybe a few hundred more of us to say "Hell No! I don't want the latest, most bloated IE and some future WinXX version! My computer is MINE...I will choose what I run on it!" I asked in several forums for help in getting a petition of sorts together to send to various governments, asking for help. MS was actually "on the ropes" at the time, reeling from being found guilty of violating the anti-trust regulations. What happened? Nothing...nobody but a handful joined with me. Over the course of the past year or so, MS has quietly managed to somehow get all those nasty ant-trust violations to go away! No stiff penalty! No restrictions on how they conduct business! Now here we are in 2003, MS is growing bigger and richer. Any "alternatives" to MS products are being locked out of the services that MS users have. Glenn Gilbreath, Jr. Wizard57M http://www.geocities.com/wizard57m/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:57:19 -0700 From: Mel Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: arachne updates Hi all, specially Glenn, Glenn, what is the current situation regarding the Linux version of Arachne? I'm re-furbing my old arachne4dos website and want to update a few bits of the info? And also, the current 1,71 version is downloadable from you (Glenn that is) and anywhere else? With best wishes and regards From [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webtheon.co.uk http://www.xetronella.com http://www.bccscotland.org.uk Designing and building websites for the leisure and sports goods industries. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:14:17 -0700 From: Mel Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: arachne updates again Hi again, I've started to get webspace going for the re-furbed arachne4dos website and discovered the old webring don't appear to work? Anyone know if it does or not and where it is nowadays if it does work? On another subject, but related, how does arachne cope with *.asp files? or not at all? I have a working "chatroom" programme, but this relies on asp for some of it's programming, and it would be nice if I could make it work with some workarounds/fiddling with the codings? With best wishes and regards From [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webtheon.co.uk http://www.xetronella.com http://www.bccscotland.org.uk Designing and building websites for the leisure and sports goods industries. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:13:29 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: HotMail, Win9X, Rants etc... On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:47:43 -0600, Glenn Gilbreath Jr. wrote: > Hello Fellow Arachnephobes! > OK, I didn't quote the thread about HotMail, god only knows what else > MS will do to STOP any and all alternatives. The thing is, MS is very > much involved with US "national security" interests at the moment. > WinXP has been installed in numerous military computer systems, MS IE > is the "browser of choice", <snip> If it were true that that Micro$oft were involved with protecting US "national security" interests, then why haven't they fixed the security problems with Hotmail? US military personnel are frequently not allowed to access Hotmail while aboard ship and while visiting libraries located on military installations where there are internet work stations available for their use. They are however allowed to access alternative web mail services. Military authorities say that there are some very serious security issues with using Hotmail. They say that military computers which allow Hotmail access must be set up in some special way so as to disable many of the so-called "features" of Window$. Hotmail access is allowed only at special times, and only on those computers where the "features" have been temporily disabled by especially trained computer security personnel. I don't know what they do to disable the features and I don't know which particular features need to be disabled. Of course for my own personal computer I have disabled ALL of the features of Window$ simply by running DELTREE C:\WINDOWS Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser: http://browser.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:26:48 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: d2h ver. 0.0.2 On 9 Aug 03 at 15:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:31:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> To wake your phantasy I uploaded a screenshot: > >> http://www.volny.cz/cce.zizkov/download/d2hscr.zbm > >!!!! I got: Error 404 Page not found > >Bastiaan Sorry, it should be: http://www.volny.cz/cce.zizkov/download/d2hscr.zip Christof _______________________________________________ Christof Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Prokopova 4, 130 00 Praha 3, Czech Republic phone: (+420) 222 78 06 73 / 222 78 20 02 http://www.volny.cz/cce.zizkov ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:58:04 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Comments on Glenn's Ranting and Raving On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 "Glenn Gilbreath Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: (and writes, and writes, ...) <big grin> (and so will I). - --- Hi Glenn, You left out important elements that coexist with your resistant, somewhat subversive, anti-M$, alternative strategies - that is ... the sharing of files and information via floppies, CDs, plain-jane email attachments, BBSs, and every other 'medium of exchange'. Ron Clarke once sent me, as an email attachment, a zipped file of his entire web site. It was small enough to fit on a floppy disk. Unzipped, it easily fits on a CD. Consequently, I could subsequently share that information with others via several channels (floppy, CD, email, public kiosk, etc.). Theoretically, as those individuals (who receive from me) further share the information, the network expands exponentially in ways similar to the internet. Such a scheme for sharing information (programs, files, photos, data, ideas, etc.) is almost unstoppable. Even IF M$ (or any other corporate or government group) were able to control the internet, the exchange of information could go forward without completely successful interference. If, as Michael claimed, Arachne was developed to enable the freedom of information exchange, then we shouldn't forget the various options associated with that exchange. For the sake of the diversity of options (and the insurance against excessive control that such diversity brings), we should continually work to develop multiple paths for exchanging information. The point being this ... If Arachne is just about being a browser, then it's doomed to an eventual death. If it's more about enabling the freedom of information exchange, then there is potential for a much longer life cycle. When I asked recently about possible BBS functionality as a component of Arachne, I didn't get much of an enthusiastic response from the programmer community. Several users responded, but we are all outsiders looking in - we don't have the source code. To be really effective, the code should be integrated to maximize the strength of Arachne in a BBS mode. That was always the strength of DOS, before bloat ware. If, as you predict, someone eventually will control ALL of the internet, then it will not matter how Arachne functions - unless you can completely bypass the ISPs. Without connectivity, Arachne is just an elaborate HTML viewer and media player (and a fairly good one, at that). Only by exercising ALL of the various alternative schemes for exchanging information will you prevent a monopoly by M$ (or others). And that means integrated BBS code, peer-to-peer connectivity, simplified file writing and sharing, and all the other exchange schemes - at a level simple enough for the novice Arachne user. Case in point, there are no Arachne users in Iraq (at least, in the area formerly controlled by Saddam). Why not? Because Saddam controlled the ISPs. But people had phone lines, which could have been used in certain situations in a peer-to-peer capacity. The same situation still exists under other hardline dictatorships. The future which you predict bears many similarities to those dictatorships. Why, then, do you argue solely about the browser capability of Arachne and against the schemes of M$? Would not our efforts be more effective if we focused more holistically upon "the freedom to exchange information" in all its various configurations? Although I agree with the core of your argument, I think it's misplaced. The dialog is bigger than just javascript or the *evil schemes of a corporate giant*. The fight isn't against M$ or for Arachne - it's a fight to allow people the freedom to communicate. That's a battle I'd be willing to join. Butyl Bob, the organic radical (doesn't that take you back a few months?) - - ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:43:58 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Another Arachne incompatibility On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:50:40 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >> Correct it I'm wrong, but I thought M$h** spent all its time building >> patches for security breaches ... ;-) > Only half. > The other half is spent finding ways to block other browsers. :(( Well, it is certainly not blocking them very successfully, since I can get into the site under discussion with relatively old versions of Opera, Netscape and Lynx. Should we tell them that their blocking efforts are not working, most of the time? <G> Greg - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:53:51 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Secure shell, JS, Arachne future? On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:26:03 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > Somehow Arachne needs to become a "project" that will attract > new talent and an influx of ability and energy. An excellent idea! Now if we could only get Michael to agree. Or even answer our mail. It seems he is much too busy with other projects to bother with Arachne. > There is a large pool of DOS programmers involved in the FreeDOS > project--perhaps Arachne can become integrated into that > community as the "FreeDOS web browser". > Something like that has to happen for Arachne to evolve further > and become more capable. Yes, the problem is that we are a small community, which necessarily means a smaller pool of talent to draw on. More participants means more ideas and/or solutions. Not only that, more participants means many more opportunities for partial solutions to come together to give a successful result. This is what we really need!!! Greg - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:52:00 +0930 From: "Greg Mayman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Another Arachne incompatibility On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:15:47 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > Since it *IS* a fact that MS continually adjusts its code to make > itself the only safteware available that recognizes the new MS satadard. Hmmm... there's an inconsistency there. If M$ adjusts the code, they have to get the ISPs to upgrade their server software to the new versions -- not so hard to do as free updates to all such customers are usually taken up. But then they have to get the home users to upgrade their client software to work with the upgraded servers. Not such an easy thing to do as a lot of the people are using outdated W98, W95 or even W3x software. And often these people won't take up offers of free upgrades. And please note that it _WAS_ possible to make connection to the EnableNet site with Netscape 3 (1996 release) and Opera 3.62 (1998), running on Win 3.11. Both of these browsers are the exact same versions that I originnaly downloaded several years ago. No upgrades there. The version of Lynx for DOS version that also got me in is dated 1999. > IMO...... zero chance. :(( IMO, if this old stuff still works inspite of the alleged attempts by M$ to block old browsers, there is MUCH greater than zero chance of finding a workable solution for Arachne. For what it's worth, below is the relevant part of the Lynx Cookies file, that connected me successfully to EnableNet. Does Arachne need to change the format of its cookies, or what? extract of LYNX\COOKIES.TXT ================================================= www.enable.net.au FALSE / FALSE 2137622400 CFID 413432 www.enable.net.au FALSE / FALSE 2137622400 CFTOKEN 76670880 ============================================================================= Greg - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2204 ******************************
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