On Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:43:20 +0100 (MET), Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Still I would suggest that you use ctmouse (or ctmousep if it's a PS/2
> mouse). Take a look at my mem/c>mem.txt (slightly edited)

> MSDOS       11,517   (11K)     11,517   (11K)          0    (0K)
> HIMEM        1,168    (1K)      1,168    (1K)          0    (0K)
> EMM386       3,248    (3K)      3,248    (3K)          0    (0K)
> COMMAND      4,864    (5K)      2,800    (3K)      2,064    (2K)
> DOSMAX         256    (0K)          0    (0K)        256    (0K)
> ANSI         4,208    (4K)          0    (0K)      4,208    (4K)
> RAMDRIVE     1,264    (1K)          0    (0K)      1,264    (1K)
> FILES        3,280    (3K)          0    (0K)      3,280    (3K)
> FCBS           272    (0K)          0    (0K)        272    (0K)
> WKBUFFER       528    (1K)          0    (0K)        528    (1K)
> LASTDRIV     2,304    (2K)          0    (0K)      2,304    (2K)
> STACKS       3,024    (3K)          0    (0K)      3,024    (3K)
> INSTALL        144    (0K)          0    (0K)        144    (0K)
> SMARTDRV    75,136   (73K)          0    (0K)     75,136   (73K)
> CTMOUSE      6,384    (6K)          0    (0K)      6,384    (6K)
> KEYB         6,944    (7K)          0    (0K)      6,944    (7K)
> Ledigt     689,216  (673K)    636,448  (622K)     52,768   (52K)

> Konventionellt       655,360       18,912      636,448
> �vre                 158,576      105,808       52,768
> Reserverad                 0            0            0
> Ut�kat (XMS)      65,836,176   33,925,264   31,910,912
> Totalt minne      66,650,112   34,049,984   32,600,128

> Totalt under 1 M     813,936      124,720      689,216

> St�rsta exekverbara programstorlek:    636,432   (622K)
> St�rsta lediga �vre minnesblock:        48,928    (48K)
> MS-DOS �r resident i det h�ga minnesomr�det.

> Ok, I didn't actually edit as much as might be needed - I hope you know
> what's on every line anyway (and those strange chars are Windows fault -
> they look less atrange otherwise <g>).

Gee..Bernie.....that looks neat.....please post your config.sys and
    autoexec.bat....I wanna get my box to look like that.....<g>,(but
serious, so send them)...

> And before anyone asks - the loss of XMS is due to the fact that SmartDRV
> has the maximum it can have in DOS (it's halfed when I start Windows).
> Many of the strange items loaded (stacks, lastdriv, wkbuffer etc.) are from
> dosmax. (And before anyone says something - I've tried to get Arachne
> online without dosmax loaded).
> And the RAMDrive is for a minimum one that has a copy of my autoexec.bat
> (to boot a little faster) and command.com (to exit programs a little faster).

> Another interesting thing is this litle item in your memmory:

> EMM386       4,144    (4K)      4,144    (4K)          0    (0K)
> while mine is:
> EMM386       3,248    (3K)      3,248    (3K)          0    (0K)

> Probably due to that you use EMS:

>>   Total Expanded (EMS)                24,444,928 (23,872K
>>   Free Expanded (EMS)*                21,643,264 (21,136K

>>   * EMM386 is using XMS memory to simulate EMS memory as needed.
>>     Free EMS memory may change as free XMS memory changes.

> Why are you using EMS instead of XMS?

> Do you have like this in config.sys?

> DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS /TESTMEM:OFF
> DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE noems highscan
> dos=high,umb

> Otherwise change to this, it should give you more free memmory (and XMS
> instead of EMS).

> And you also wrote:
>> I really did not understand how this worked before your explanation.

> Perhaps this is an issue we (more experienced users) should be more aware
> of? (A small how-to perhaps - or a start of the SURVPC FAQ? Of course what
> I wrote is far from anything that might be usefull for someone who doesn't
> understand anything. Ah well just a thought).

YES..!!  let us start a thread...you call it anything you want....I've
just temporarily called it "system optimization".....first topic
is optimize conventional memory.....then we can collect the thread and
post it as an archive, and keep adding topics to it....then we don't
have to be asking ( and answering) the same questions again and again.


> And why do you run share.exe ? The only time I run this is when I have the
> Novell Metwork started... (If you know that you need it let it be,
> otherwise "rem it out" and when you find that a program doesn't work
> anymore just un-rem the share line and try the program again.)
> Also setver.exe is only if you want to fake another DOS version (might be
> needed to run ex. xcopy.exe)

> Also it's better to put as much as possible in the upper memmory IMO. So if
> I could run Arachne I would put EPPPD in the upper memmory by moving
> keyb.com down (the keyboard driver for you who don't know) removing dosmax
> and moving ctmouse down.

> I still think it would be a very good thing if ctmouse and ctmousep could
> be added to the Arachne distribution package. How many people even know
> that a mouse requires a driver? It wouldn't add much to the total size of
> Arachne anyway.

But, some or us don't run mouseys....I run alpsey and need my
amouse.com.

> That addition will probably be removed by adding apm.exe and unarj.exe
> together - I've saved ca 14K on it sofar (but since it isn't working
> properly who cares <g> (I lost the source code and needed to start all over
> again, and strangely enough nothing worked directly this time - not even
> compiling it as it was).


Anyway....if we don't start this thread....I still want your config
and autoexec.....I'm gonna tweak my own boxes.....

ADDED thought....there has gotta be a way to load EPPD..high...I
mean, way up....above 1M....it's a driver, right?...so, there
must be some way to get it running up there...

        gregy




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