arachne-digest Thursday, January 13 2000 Volume 01 : Number 944 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:22:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: UNIVESA adaptor/base64 Arachne can read base64. I got an email Christmas/New Year greeting with base64-encoded attachment, downloaded by UKA_PPP. I renamed file to have .MES extension, treated as ordinary (offline) URL, and Arachne read it. I knew the encoding was base64 by examining the raw data. Arachne is not always able to display .GIF or .JPG images. I also have MPACK/MUNPACK program that can decode base64 attachments given the entire email message in raw-data form. Then I can view a graphic with DISPLAY or PICTVIEW with better graphic display capability than Arachne offers. Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:08:08 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: memory managment On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:57:01 +0000, rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The term "load high" means to load into memory area above 640k. >> How is it possible to load something above 640 if all you have is 640??? > er ... what i meant is "umb" related. > rick The same situation applies. If all you have is 640k, you have no UMBs either. |<------------------- Conventional memory ---------------------> 0h 10000h 20000h 30000h 40000h 50000h 60000h 70000h 0K 64K 128K 192K 256K 320K 384K 448K |-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|------| ���������������������������������������������������������������� ����������������................����.................����������� |-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|------| 512K 576K 640K 704K 768K 832K 896K 960K 1MB 80000h 90000h A0000h B0000h C0000h D0000h E0000h F0000h 100000h >-------------->|<-------------- Upper memory ---------------->| Key: �=RAM �=ROM �=Shadow ROM �=EMS Memory Type Total Bytes ( Kbytes ) Available For Programs Conventional 655,360 ( 640K ) � 636,000 ( 621K ) Upper 307,040 ( 300K ) � 57,952 ( 57K ) High 65,520 ( 64K ) � 3,096 ( 3K ) Extended 66,060,288 ( 64,512K ) � 0 ( 0K ) Extended via XMS -------- � 15,718,400 ( 15,350K ) EMS 83,017,728 ( 81,072K ) � 15,728,640 ( 15,360K ) Largest executable program: 635,984 ( 621K ) Total Free DOS memory: 693,952 ( 678K ) - -- Glenn McCorkle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://home.arachne.cz/ or http://arachne.browser.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:43:40 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re2: Secure web sites Petri wrote: >It's the Arachne list that's slow sending out e-mails after they are sent. IMHO it's very fast. Espacially compared to how it has been at times. My guess is that we still are suffering from the loss of all "non-digest" members of this list - does anyone know for certain? //Bernie http://hem1.passagen.se/bernie/index.htm DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:50:14 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric S. Emerson) Subject: Re: memory managment Glenn McCorkle wrote: > >On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:57:01 +0000, rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> The term "load high" means to load into memory area above 640k. >>> How is it possible to load something above 640 if all you have is 640??? > >> er ... what i meant is "umb" related. > >> rick > > The same situation applies. >If all you have is 640k, you have no UMBs either. > > <snip> Hi Glenn, I agree Glenn, but IIRC, on some of my old motherboards that reported only 640k there was really 1mb of ram chips installed. If you checked such a board with a utility such as Check-It, then the report showed UMB. I remember this because I always wanted to use that memory but I didn't know how back then. It always seemed wasted to me. Eric - -- __________ | Ayrx |__\_ Eric S. Emerson | :~_: ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] `~(*)~~~~(*)~' ````````````````````````` ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:53:42 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Long filenames howto ? Petri wrote: >Yes, I know this. Actually, this is the point - when you need LFNs, you >make another wwwman, and thus the original wwwman can be 8086 compatible. > >(I consider wwwman part of Arachne, not because it is, but it's included >in a very integrated way in the package.) That may be, but why call it via DGI instead of the current way? >That way one doesn't need to change the wheel, just copy and modify >it. Then we havetwo wheels, one 8086 without LFN and one 386 one with >LFN. In this case, people needing LFNs can use them without disturbing >Arachne functionality, or slowing it down etc. I still don't get it. Let me see if I understand you want: 1. A normal version 2. A LFN version Then can you please explain to me why you can't call them *both* wwwman.exe and use the one that fits your needs. By doing so any changes to the normal one would also show up in the LFN version. Splitting the LFN version from the "development tree" sounds rather weird IMO. Having a programcode look in two ways (for the compiler) isn't all that hard all we need is to use #define. BTW: Petri why don't you like fast internet connections? (your X-Sender tells me so: "X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" - I do not think I'll translate the meaning here of the swedish word "luder", "bredband" is "broadband" anyway) //Bernie http://hem1.passagen.se/bernie/index.htm DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:22:11 +0100 (CET) From: Petri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re2: Secure web sites On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Bernie wrote: > >It's the Arachne list that's slow sending out e-mails after they are sent. > IMHO it's very fast. Espacially compared to how it has been at times. My Actually, it can take two hours for messages to propagate here (1), it seems....and this isn't exactly the most high-traffic list I've ever been on - lists usually have better performance. =) (1) luckily, it doesn't usually take this long for messages to spread....but sometimes.....anyway, my point is that I think it's slow. =) /petri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:41:41 +0100 (CET) From: Petri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Long filenames howto ? On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Bernie wrote: > That may be, but why call it via DGI instead of the current way? Are you asking "why not integrate it in the core.exe code?"? Current wwwman implementation is called as an external utility, but I suppose you know that after digging in the source code. =) > Then can you please explain to me why you can't call them *both* wwwman.exe > and use the one that fits your needs. By doing so any changes to the normal > one would also show up in the LFN version. Splitting the LFN version from > the "development tree" sounds rather weird IMO. Having a programcode look > in two ways (for the compiler) isn't all that hard all we need is to use > #define. You could do it your way or my way - both leads to the same goal. It's just that I feel better if there are two leafs on the current branch instead of one leaf with a lot of #defines. For example, what happens if you notice that the source code would be better off in two files, because the code does different things under DJGPP and Borland (actaully, I don't think that would happen but anyway =P)? How would you package the stuff, with both versions in the smae archive? (Yes, I think one should be able to choose, based on whether one wants 386 code with LFNs or 8086 code without or whicherver is fastest.) That's what I think makes it better to be put in a separate file, and accessed by, say, file386:// or something. > BTW: Petri why don't you like fast internet connections? (your X-Sender > tells me so: "X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" - I do not think I'll > translate the meaning here of the swedish word "luder", "bredband" is > "broadband" anyway) *major laugh* actually, it's a joke. I did not have a DNS entry for my PC (I am behind a cable modem connection), so I desperately needed a domain name. I got one. Guess why I don't use it too often....anyway. people have easier to remember odd names than to remember odd numbers (for me, it's the reverse) so people who can't remember 195.163.95.100 get to remember sa*ans.bredbandsluder.nu....(no, I did not choose it - I got it from a friend). But anyway, if you have any domain name suggestions for me, you're MORE than welcome =) All of you! Then I'll get reverse DNS and you will be able to access me in seconds instead of seconds+five minutes... /petri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:39:10 +0100 From: Jan Lentfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Email Inbox problem > Hello Jan; > You may have to edit the file Arachne.cfg to FULLY specify the path to > your mail subdirectory. > > e.g. The default is: > > MailPath MAIL\ > > Change to: > MailPath G:\ARACHNE\MAIL\ (or whatever) I did change the path to C:\arachne\mail. I got the the TEMP variable set to VDISK on D:\. I did the standard installation to c:\arachne and I got the welcome.htm and welcome.cnm in the right directories. Still I get the same error message. Any more ideas??? Thanks, Jan PS: Just in case it might help, here are my config and autoexec files CONFIG.SYS - ---------- DEVICE=C:\DRDOS\EMM386.EXE DPMI=OFF FRAME=NONE DEVICE=C:\DRDOS\DPMS.EXE DEVICE=C:\DRDOS\SETVER.EXE SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /E:512 /P BREAK=ON BUFFERS=80 FILES=50 FCBS=24,24 LASTDRIVE=E HISTORY=ON,512,ON COUNTRY=49,,C:\DRDOS\COUNTRY.SYS DOS=HIGH,UMB DEVICEHIGH=C:\DRDOS\VDISK.SYS 512 128 64 /E DEVICEHIGH = C:\IOMEGA\ASPIPPM1.SYS FILE=NIBBLE.ILM SPEED=10 Country=049 Quiet DEVICEHIGH = C:\IOMEGA\ASPIIDE.SYS Scan Info Country=049 Quiet DEVICE = C:\IOMEGA\SCSICFG.EXE /L=049 /V DEVICEHIGH = C:\IOMEGA\SCSIDRVR.SYS /L=049 AUTOEXEC.BAT - ------------ @ECHO Off PATH C:\DRDOS;C:\;C:\ARACHNE;C:\dn EMM386 PIC=ON DPMI OFF KEYB GR+ VERIFY OFF PROMPT [DR-DOS] $P$G SET TEMP=D:\ IF NOT DIREXIST %TEMP% MD %TEMP% SET DRDOSCFG=C:\DRDOS @SET SCSI_DRIVER = C:\IOMEGA @SET SCSI_UTILITY = C:\IOMEGA NWCACHE 512 64 /LEND=ON /DELAY=ON DRMOUSE - -- Jan Lentfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://welcome.to/MountainbikeHQ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:48:03 -0800 From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Email Inbox problem On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:39:10 +0100, Jan Lentfer wrote: > I did change the path to C:\arachne\mail. I got the the TEMP variable > set to VDISK on D:\. I did the standard installation to c:\arachne and I > got the welcome.htm and welcome.cnm in the right directories. Still I > get the same error message. Any more ideas??? Jan .......do I understand right that you get this problem when you are running your Arachne from VDISK on Drive D:....? ...what happens when you run your Arachne from the installed C:\ARACHNE directory....? gregy - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:47:36 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: memory managment On a diffrent note how do I use the EMS on a AT (80286) as a harddrive cache? I've got 2MB which aren't even used and the HD isn't very fast on this old machine so any pointers would be helpful. //Bernie http://hem1.passagen.se/bernie/index.htm DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:52:34 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re2: Secure web sites Petri wrote: >Actually, it can take two hours for messages to propagate here (1), it >seems....and this isn't exactly the most high-traffic list I've ever been >on - lists usually have better performance. =) It takes from a few seconds to a few minutes for me. Perhaps this is because our placing in the list of subscribers differ (I'm in the top and you're in the bottom). Might also be because of the network between the mail servers. //Bernie http://hem1.passagen.se/bernie/index.htm DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:04:03 -0500 From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Email Inbox problem Jan Lentfer wrote: >>I did change the path to C:\arachne\mail. I got the the TEMP variable set to VDISK on D:\. I did the standard installation to c:\arachne and I got the welcome.htm and welcome.cnm in the right directories. Still I get the same error message. Any more ideas??? Thanks, Jan PS: Just in case it might help, here are my config and autoexec files CONFIG.SYS - ---------- DEVICE=C:\DRDOS\EMM386.EXE DPMI=OFF FRAME=NONE DEVICE=C:\DRDOS\DPMS.EXE DEVICE=C:\DRDOS\SETVER.EXE SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /E:512 /P . . [snip] . . AUTOEXEC.BAT - ------------ @ECHO Off PATH C:\DRDOS;C:\;C:\ARACHNE;C:\dn EMM386 PIC=ON DPMI OFF KEYB GR+ VERIFY OFF PROMPT [DR-DOS] $P$G SET TEMP=D:\ <----Change this to: SET TEMP=D:\TEMP IF NOT DIREXIST %TEMP% MD %TEMP% <----Change this to: IF NOT DIREXIST D:\TEMP MD D:\TEMP SET DRDOSCFG=C:\DRDOS @SET SCSI_DRIVER = C:\IOMEGA @SET SCSI_UTILITY = C:\IOMEGA NWCACHE 512 64 /LEND=ON /DELAY=ON DRMOUSE - -- Jan Lentfer<< Hope this helps. Roger Turk Tucson, Arizona USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:04:11 -0500 From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: memory managment Because *all* PC's had 384 K memory starting at address A0000 whether or not "conventional memory" (0000 to 7FFFF) was fully populated. It is *this* memory that is reserved for loading video drivers, ROM, BIOS, etc., when the computer is booted. Roger Turk Tucson, Arizona USA Glenn McCorkle wrote: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:57:01 +0000, rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The term "load high" means to load into memory area above 640k. >> How is it possible to load something above 640 if all you have is 640??? > er ... what i meant is "umb" related. > rick The same situation applies. If all you have is 640k, you have no UMBs either. |<------------------- Conventional memory ---------------------> 0h 10000h 20000h 30000h 40000h 50000h 60000h 70000h 0K 64K 128K 192K 256K 320K 384K 448K |-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|------| ���������������������������������������������������������������� ����������������................����.................����������U |-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|-------|------| 512K 576K 640K 704K 768K 832K 896K 960K 1MB 80000h 90000h A0000h B0000h C0000h D0000h E0000h F0000h 100000h >-------------->|<-------------- Upper memory ---------------->| Key: �=RAM �=ROM �=Shadow ROM U=EMS Memory Type Total Bytes ( Kbytes ) Available For Programs Conventional 655,360 ( 640K ) 3 636,000 ( 621K ) Upper 307,040 ( 300K ) 3 57,952 ( 57K ) High 65,520 ( 64K ) 3 3,096 ( 3K ) Extended 66,060,288 ( 64,512K ) 3 0 ( 0K ) Extended via XMS -------- 3 15,718,400 ( 15,350K ) EMS 83,017,728 ( 81,072K ) 3 15,728,640 ( 15,360K ) Largest executable program: 635,984 ( 621K ) Total Free DOS memory: 693,952 ( 678K ) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:33:21 +0100 (CET) From: Petri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re2: Secure web sites On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Bernie wrote: > It takes from a few seconds to a few minutes for me. Perhaps this is > because our placing in the list of subscribers differ (I'm in the top and > you're in the bottom). Might also be because of the network between the > mail servers. Or a weird list server that sends one message at a time. =P /petri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:08:41 +0100 From: Jan Lentfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Email Inbox problem "Gregory J. Feig" wrote: > Jan .......do I understand right that you get this problem when > you are running your Arachne from VDISK on Drive D:....? > ...what happens when you run your Arachne from the installed > C:\ARACHNE directory....? No, I have Arachne installed in C:\ARACHNE. I have VDISK installed as drive D: and set TEMP variable to D:\. In Arachne I turned the "Cache emails, etc, in TEMP " option ("Local Options", I think) turned on. But I also tried without this option. Some error. Thanks a lot for your efforts, Jan - -- Jan Lentfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://welcome.to/MountainbikeHQ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:49:42 +0100 From: "Gerald Kucera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Monitor Gerald Gregory, as far as I remember this DisplayDoctor has 2 parts one for Dos and one for Win? I should have a look on it and hope I still have the zip-file in AOLdownload. The Centr funktion makes Arachne visible. You get a screen with a big rectangle of white lines on dark background. When you make it visible by repeatedly pressing the left or right cursor keys then you see a instruction how to get the best of it. This shifts the refresh frequency and synchronisation. I think this is all done in Dos. My son placed a line in Autoexec.bat to load SDD with Arachne in Dos. May be SDD goes into the memory of the video card. I swim. Gerald - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client - -- Arachne V1.50;s.r.c., NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://home.arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:52:16 -0500 From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Repeat Those Wonders for an 8514...Pleas Hi Stephen, Fear not! Check out www.driverguide.com Also, do a search on Infind (www.infind.com) for "8514 driver" with or without the quotes. Sorry to be so brusque today, but I *have* to get some revenue producing work done! Roger Turk Tucson, Arizona USA P.S. What type of "P.Eng." are you? P. Stephen Baxter, P. Eng. wrote: >>I am astonished at what can be discovered by this Digest on behalf of the likes of those possessing a dated 9517/9515 IBM display. Enviously I wonder whether the same might be done for us (very few) benighted possessors of the IBM 8514 and that mysterious but impressive 8514/a Microchannel (I know; totally defunct today) 9-inch x 3-inch card. I have both hooked up to my PS/2 386 25mHz 120mB HD (doublespaced) with 16mB RAM, and continue to delight in what this mere VGA can do for me in Win, WP5.2-for-Win (strangely nobody ever talks about this oddity), Lotus 4.2 spreadsheet program, and that Lotus Organizer v1.1 that cannot look or book beyond 31Dec00 and thus destined to die. What a travesty that Arachne boots for me merely as a bigger version of a basic 386 with VGA, losing all those touted benefits of TOOLBAR etc. I mentioned this a few weeks ago, but all I got was that only King Michael could (easily) include the magic 8514 driver had he a mind to at little cost to bloat. Maybe v6 has it, but I don't count on it because my 8514 constituency must be comparitively microscopic by now. For those who thought that FreeNetters would become incommunicado Jan 1, well, here voluble Howard Eisenberger and I are! And while we are here together with all those Arachnid gurus who are constantly pushing the envelope beyond expectations, maybe there are a few who could spare the time to enlighten (along 9517 lines) the 8514ers trapped among them. Yours, Aye, Stephen.<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:00:52 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Email Inbox problem Jan wrote: >I did change the path to C:\arachne\mail. I got the the TEMP variable >set to VDISK on D:\. I did the standard installation to c:\arachne and I >got the welcome.htm and welcome.cnm in the right directories. Still I >get the same error message. Any more ideas??? You need to have ex. d:\temp as temporary directory. just d:\ isn't good enough (I think that Insight then tries to use "d:\\"). Add a directory on that drive (also makes it possible to ahve more files) and change your temp directory settign and you should be set. //Bernie http://hem1.passagen.se/bernie/index.htm DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:16:35 +0100 (CET) From: Petri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Monitor Gerald On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Gerald Kucera wrote: > as far as I remember this DisplayDoctor has 2 parts one for Dos and one > for Win? I should have a look on it and hope I still have the zip-file True. www.scitechsoftware.com > My son placed a line in Autoexec.bat to load SDD with Arachne in Dos. > May be SDD goes into the memory of the video card. It sets up the graphics card in some cases, and in others it loads itself into standard memory. Applications that use the VESA interface then call UniVBE instead of your graphics cards driver. /petri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:11:00 -0800 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Email Inbox problem Jan Lentfer wrote: > > > Hello Jan; > > You may have to edit the file Arachne.cfg to FULLY specify the path to > > your mail subdirectory. > > > > e.g. The default is: > > > > MailPath MAIL\ > > > > Change to: > > MailPath G:\ARACHNE\MAIL\ (or whatever) > > I did change the path to C:\arachne\mail. I got the the TEMP variable > set to VDISK on D:\. I did the standard installation to c:\arachne and I > got the welcome.htm and welcome.cnm in the right directories. Still I > get the same error message. Any more ideas??? Change the mail path to: MailPath C:\arachne\mail\ ^^ - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:20:23 -0800 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: memory managment Roger Turk wrote: > > Because *all* PC's had 384 K memory starting at address A0000 whether or not > "conventional memory" (0000 to 7FFFF) was fully populated. It is *this* > memory that is reserved for loading video drivers, ROM, BIOS, etc., when the > computer is booted. Negative, Roger. All PCs have the ADDRESS range, sure. The first PCs only had 64k installed. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:58:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Jorge Alex Ortega O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [none] unsubscribe arachne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:37:33 +0100 From: Jan Lentfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne Email Inbox problem A lot of thanks to all of you that helped me with my problem. The change of TEMP from D:\ to D:\TEMP solved the problem. Again muchas gracias :-) Jan - -- Jan Lentfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://welcome.to/MountainbikeHQ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:27:12 -0500 From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: memory managment Clarence Verge wrote: >>Roger Turk wrote: > > Because *all* PC's had 384 K memory starting at address A0000 whether or not > "conventional memory" (0000 to 7FFFF) was fully populated. It is *this* > memory that is reserved for loading video drivers, ROM, BIOS, etc., when the > computer is booted. Negative, Roger. All PCs have the ADDRESS range, sure. The first PCs only had 64k installed.<< =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- You are right Clarence in what you said, but we are talking about two different things. The original PC's *did* have only 64K of *conventional* memory that could be used by programs, but *also* had 384K of "reserved memory" that was not useable by programs that started at address A000 and went to FFFF for use by adaptors, ROM, etc. Roger Turk Tucson, Arizona USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:23:47 -0800 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: New Subject Hello Michael, All; Others have complained about the lack of multitasking capability in DOS. I bemoan the inability to multitask MYSELF when using an OS with a GUI. Some time ago I came to realize that I can get the information I want from the internet in many cases by bypassing the "normal" channels. For instance, if I want a graph of a stocks' recent activity and I don't want all the crap and padding that will accompany it if I request that info by filling in the "form" and clicking, I can just open the URL of the image I'm interested in. Such as: http://ichart.yahoo.com/w?s=nnc.to Just replacing the text after the = with the ticker symbol for any other stock means I can make up the URLs easily myself, and I could create a text file with sequential URLs for all the graphs I want for the day. In DOS, IF I KNEW THE NECESSARY INTERNET PROTOCOL, it would be simple to type GETTHEM <enter> and go up the street to get a coffee and donut, knowing I would have 25 or so .gifs waiting for me when I get back. I am certain the above can not be accomplished with Netscape and Windows. I have to be sitting there, feeding the clickity clickity color comic book interface for the retarded with the next URL. There is some vague hope that a batch of URLs can be downloaded automatically with Arachne - but only because we have access to the ear of the author. Michael, would it be possible sometime to allow us to create a text file of sequential URLs and you would provide the means to download each and write each to an individual and recognizable file ? - as a batch operation ? Likewise, with DOS I could type PRINTHEM <enter> and go to a movie. <G> Yesterday, I actually HIRED someone and paid real cash money for them to sit and stare at the Netscape screen (I had set up another system - 100Mhz Pent) and for THREE HOURS they just waited and clicked, and clicked, and clicked - back and forth from screen to screen, printing 275 stock plots that I had saved on diskette from the last quarter of 1999. :-((( Help. ! There must be a way to get back the utility of DOS !! - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:49:49 -0800 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: memory managment Roger Turk wrote: > > Clarence Verge wrote: > > Negative, Roger. > All PCs have the ADDRESS range, sure. The first PCs only had 64k installed.<< > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > You are right Clarence in what you said, but we are talking about two > different things. The original PC's *did* have only 64K of *conventional* > memory that could be used by programs, but *also* had 384K of "reserved > memory" that was not useable by programs that started at address A000 and > went to FFFF for use by adaptors, ROM, etc. Hi Roger; Your not going to get any work done today. <G> That address range did NOT have any RAM in it in the pre 1985 PCs. Yes, it was reserved - if that is the point - for adapter Rom and Bios, but you can't load anything high if there is no ram there. (Except in a special case where you can take advantage of unused BUT INSTALLED video ram on some video cards. A special memeory manager is required. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:00:40 -0800 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: memory managment Bernie wrote: > > On a diffrent note how do I use the EMS on a AT (80286) as a harddrive > cache? I've got 2MB which aren't even used and the HD isn't very fast on > this old machine so any pointers would be helpful. Hi Bernie; I've got an Orchid Turbo '286 with 2M ram on it on which I have run Windows. I know you can load Vdisk on it and I'm pretty sure I can find a cache prog which will use it. I'll try it and get back to you. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #944 *****************************
