arachne-digest Thursday, February 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 21:15:53 -0500 From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OT] DOS COPY command on an NT I was asked, >>Mr. Turk, I believe you are the one that help me out last time regarding a Dos question. I though maybe you can answer this one. command: copy q:\home\sed\install.bat c:\winwin Actual action => copies the file to c:\winnt command: copy q:\home\sed\install.bat c:\winnt (computer does not have winnt) Actual action => copies the file to c:\windows What gives. do you know??<< This is a new one on me! Does anyone know (or have an inkling) of what is happening? Thanks Roger Turk Tucson, Arizona USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 21:55:31 -0800 From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OT] DOS COPY command on an NT On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 21:15:53 -0500, Roger Turk wrote: > I was asked, >>> Mr. Turk, I believe you are the one that help me out last time regarding a > Dos question. I though maybe you can answer this one. > command: copy q:\home\sed\install.bat c:\winwin > Actual action => copies the file to c:\winnt > command: copy q:\home\sed\install.bat c:\winnt (computer does not have winnt) > Actual action => copies the file to c:\windows > What gives. do you know??<< > This is a new one on me! Does anyone know (or have an inkling) of what is > happening? Roger ......I don't have my NT4 box inside...it is in "cold" storage at this season...<g>...so I can't run checks.....about the only thing that immediately occurs to me is have him/them try the command with the directory closed....i.e. .......: copy q:\home\sed\install.bat c:\winwin\ ................................................- it also might be helpful to know what brand of NT is being used.... 3.51 or 4.0 or 5.0 or....??? sometimes I have found significant differences in "compatible" upgrades......<g> ..........gregy - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 00:07:06 +-0100XYZ(nWxst) From: "Neil Parks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: http://www.chooseyourmail.com/spamindex.cfm The URL in the subject is the home page of the "spam recycling center", an anti-spam organization. The page looks horrible in 1.60 beta 1. Words are superimposed on top of each other all over the place. Same page is very friendly when viewed with Lynx from a shell acount. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:22:04 +0000 From: "Edenyard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Correct address for list? I seem to have seen quite a few different mail addresses now for messages to this revered Arachne list. Is there an absolute authority on the list who could say for certain what address to use? For example, is it [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED], or.... What's the difference between all these various addresses? Does it vary, depending upon whether one subscribes to Arachne or Arachne-Digest? Ron. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:09:49 +0000 From: "Edenyard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: V1.6 - Changing mail buttons.... This morning, I ran Arachne V1.6, fetched mail as usual, then disconnected. Went to Inbox and read first message. Decided to delete it, so went to the top to click on Trash. It wasn't there!!! A completely NEW arrangement of just 4 buttons, including one saying '<< MAIN MESSAGE'. So then I thought a while.... Suddenly, I remembered that, yesterday, I'd remarked-out SET TEMP= in AUTOEXEC.BAT because my RAM disk wasn't big enough for the temporary file that was to be created. I had forgotton to put SET TEMP= back. When I went back and restored it this morning and re-booted - hey, presto! - the usual mail buttons came back. Question is: why should the lack of SET TEMP= cause the mail programme to offer a new set of buttons? Ron. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 04:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne with DRDOS and USA ISDN? Or, How much low memory does Fritz! Classic ISDN driver take? Could you use DR-DOS with DPMS? Otherwise, if Arachne won't fit in remaining memory, you might run DOS Lynx 386, 32-bit port of Unix-native Lynx. Future for ISDN in the U.S.A. seems very limited since cable and DSL are faster and less costly. Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:09:24 -0500 From: John W Goodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Arachne and WorldShare I need help setting up Arachne for use with the ISP WorldShare http://www.worldshare.net. I'm running Arachne from a Win98 shortcut. I put DOSPPPD.EXE in C:\DOSPPPD and pathed to it. Arachne never loads it to support a PPP connection. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 04:21:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne with DRDOS and USA ISDN? Or, How much low memory does Fritz! Classic ISDN driver take? Could you use DR-DOS with DPMS? Otherwise, if Arachne won't fit in remaining memory, you might run DOS Lynx 386, 32-bit port of Unix-native Lynx. Future for ISDN in the U.S.A. seems very limited since cable and DSL are faster and less costly. Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 23:48:48 +0100 From: "(null)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: bios error-message Hi Arachnids, my question is absolutely out of discussion on Arachne-mailinglist, but I noticed from the last postings, that a lot of bios-gurus (cmos-battery...) are on this list. So please don't blame me.. My bios print's out following message while the booting procedure: "CMOS system options not set" The system is a old 386 machine, so maybe it has something to do with a possibly empty battery.. Any comments are much welcome! Regards, Christoph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 18:06:09 +0100 From: "Lars Wigrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Wanted: Arachne Mail Archive Utility As most of you know, the FAT system is not very efficient. You probably also know that Arachne stores each mail as a single file, which gives a lot of wasted disk space. And as some of you may know, the great archive program ARJ can build archives depending on the date. So this gave me an idea on making a ARJ-based mail archive utility for Arachne. It would probably not be too complicated. It's more or less a matter of passing proper command lines to ARJ. On the first run, the program could read all mail directories found in ARACHNE.CFG, and in a chronological order read *.CNM, *.MES and *.SNT files, archiveing them in daily, weekly, monthly and yearly archives, in a "russian doll" way. So, the archive built for 1999 would probably contain 12 archives (one for each month), and so on. And to easyly find what you are looking for, each archive contains an index file of the headers of the mail. I'm pretty sure that you get the idea. And once all backward archiveing is done, it will probably only be necessary to run the program once a day, where it build a daily archive. If it's a Monday, it would bundle the archives from last week into one weekly archive, and so on. This is how the program could work in an "automated maintenance mode". Of course, the program also need some search and extract functions too, if you some time in the future want to search for an old mail. I guess making such a program would not be too hard for a PC programmer. Unfortunately I have only programmed ZX Spectrums, otherwise I would have done it myself :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 21:30:46 +0200 From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wanted: Arachne Mail Archive Utility I allready do something similiar, but with Pegasus mail. Most of the time (when on DOS) I download and view E-Mail with Arachne but leave the messages on the server. Then after a few days I download everything with Pegasus. I never keep any message in Arachne - Shift-F8 is a short-cut to a "del c:\arachne\mail\*.cnm" batch file. I use it daily. Pegasus is the archive instead. Once a month, I create a temp folder and move all the messages from last month to it (Pegasus keeps all the mail in single mail files for each folder), then compress that temp folder with RAR, and move it to a "mail backup" directory. Names are like this: \mailback\survpc\jan99.rar for January 99 - SurvPC letters, \mailback\arachne\dec99.rar for December 99 - Arachne letters, etc. Thought that it might help. (its quite space efficent, btw.) Or Botton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." - ----------------------------- http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 05:55:34 +1000 From: "Ben Hood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wanted: Arachne Mail Archive Utility On Wednesday, "Lars Wigrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: ] idea on making a ARJ-based mail archive utility for Arachne. It would I wrote one with batch files and called it ZIPHASTE. It creates a zipfile of all your mail with the name like 20000203.ZIP, leaving only unread and to-be-sent mail. It also deletes index files (which is re-created by insight). http://hoody.virtualave.net/downloads/ziphaste.arj is the direct download link. Inside contains both zip and arj versions. use at your own risk. i wont be responsible for anything, yadda yadda yadda. :) But it does contain some if errorlevel statements so it won't delete anything if pkzip/arj returned a non-zero errorlevel. So if you ran once a week/fortnight/month you'll have youre archives in tip-top condition. :) ] files, archiveing them in daily, weekly, monthly and yearly archives, ] in a "russian doll" way. So, the archive built for 1999 would probably Mine just spits out one file everytime you run it. compressing a compressed file only leads to headaches... ] contain 12 archives (one for each month), and so on. And to easyly find ] what you are looking for, each archive contains an index file of the ] headers of the mail. I wanted to do this, but is impossible with the batch files I was using. But I suppose one could use the find command to find things like "Subject:"... but how to integrate in a nice manner? How about those GNU utilities like grep? hmmm... The possibilities are endless! ] I'm pretty sure that you get the idea. And once all backward archiveing is ] done, it will probably only be necessary to run the program once a day, ] where it build a daily archive. If it's a Monday, it would bundle the archives ] from last week into one weekly archive, and so on. This is how the ] program could work in an "automated maintenance mode". As I have said before, using batchfiles only one can put something in their autoexec.bat or arachne.bat to run once a day/week/month (and year while we're at it) so this is another idea. ] Of course, the program also need some search and extract functions too, ] if you some time in the future want to search for an old mail. index might be like: - --- 2000-01.ZIP --- 12345678 From: Someone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12345678 Subject: Something 12345679 From: Other Person <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12345679 Subject: What?!? - --- 2000-02.ZIP --- 12346789 etc... so you could do it manually. ] I guess making such a program would not be too hard for a PC programmer. ] Unfortunately I have only programmed ZX Spectrums, otherwise I would ] have done it myself :-) Still basic stuff :-) - -- | .~. | Hoody has the hots for whats in the box with the dots! | /V\ | http://hoody.virtualave.net updated 14 Jan 2000 | // \\ | http://hoody.penguinpowered.com when I'm online | /( )\ | ICQ: five oh one seven five one seven oh | ^`~'^ | Carpe Aptenodytes! DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT A 'cAPS lOCK' KEY IS? | C607EUW | "We apologise for the inconvenience" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:57:22 +0100 (CET) From: Van Voordturen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne and news >From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: arachne and news > >On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:42:08 +0100, "Rebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi > >> A dumb quesiton: does Arachne have now support for news: ? >> Or will or what? > > Nope, not a dumb question. >Answer: Not yet. (perhaps someday) > It's easily done with minuet though. Mime.cfg already contains a line that can be activated, after downloading and installing minuarc.exe (or minuset, I'm not really sure) from http://www.xs4all.nl/~rjscheer. No trouble connecting with minuet: It uses bootp on the epppd connection. Mind the directories while installing. Then it may be tricky to get a newsgroup list from a server to work, since minuet needs it alphabetically ordered. So either find a way to order lines or manually build a list from groups that you want to link to. (Personally I use a renamed copy of the list that forte free agent for win3.1 builds. see www.forteinc.com for a download.) The 1stone.archive from news.xs4all.nl contains some 30,000 groups. If you want it, tell me where to mail it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:06:04 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: bios error-message On 1 Feb 00 at 23:48, (null) wrote: >>Hi Arachnids, >> >>my question is absolutely out of discussion on Arachne-mailinglist, but I >>noticed from the last postings, that a lot of bios-gurus (cmos-battery...) >>are on this list. So please don't blame me.. >> >>My bios print's out following message while the booting procedure: >> >>"CMOS system options not set" >> >>The system is a old 386 machine, so maybe it has something to do with >>a possibly empty battery.. >> >>Any comments are much welcome! If you enter the BIOS setup program, enter the settings then select the option to save settings, does the system reboot without this message? If the answer is yes, then probably the battery is dead. If you still get the message then perhaps a jumper (if there are any) is not set correctly. HTH. Regards, Dale Mentzer I pretend to work, they pretend to pay me. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:09:05 +0000 From: "Mel Evans, Registered Arachne User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Mail list Hi Gangue Any one been able to make the mail list work in 1.6? and if so, how? Regards Mel Arachne, the Internet Suite and Browser for DOS, supports tables, graphics, animations, forms, HTML 4.0 Transitional Pages and more. Visit Mel's UK Arachne Pages for details and FREE Download. Kick-start a 386/486, or use on a Pentium for superb browsing! http://www.arachne4dos.freeserve.co.uk e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bccscotland.freeserve.co.uk Web Pages of |British Caravanners Club, Scotland| http://www.euramcom.freeserve.co.uk Mel's Ham Radio Equivalents Pages http://www.webtheon.freeserve.co.uk Webtheon Internet Design ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:06:04 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: bios error-message On 1 Feb 00 at 23:48, (null) wrote: >>Hi Arachnids, >> >>my question is absolutely out of discussion on Arachne-mailinglist, but I >>noticed from the last postings, that a lot of bios-gurus (cmos-battery...) >>are on this list. So please don't blame me.. >> >>My bios print's out following message while the booting procedure: >> >>"CMOS system options not set" >> >>The system is a old 386 machine, so maybe it has something to do with >>a possibly empty battery.. >> >>Any comments are much welcome! If you enter the BIOS setup program, enter the settings then select the option to save settings, does the system reboot without this message? If the answer is yes, then probably the battery is dead. If you still get the message then perhaps a jumper (if there are any) is not set correctly. HTH. Regards, Dale Mentzer I pretend to work, they pretend to pay me. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 0:35:23 +0800 From: J J Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: small java script prevents display {Written before reading Neil's acknowledgement of a solution sent by Glenn} Tips like editing the document source ought to be incorporated into the Arachne-User's Survival Pack, particularly as the providers of the pages we all go to now and then have no "history", no comprehension that anybody's using other than a post-Version4 Big-2 browser. Neil, here's a copy&paste from some 'orrible pop-up window. Note that there are <!-- and --> tags immediately after and before the <script> and </script> tags. These tags allow for comments to be hidden from the visitor but in this instance allow browsers that don't care for JavaScript to ignore the scripting, whereas the Java-aware browser will be on the lookout for the comment tag after it's seen the <script> tag. I assume that the comment tags have been left out of the page you visit by someone of the type described in Para 1. You should send in feedback though, despite giving the impression that user-contact is welcomed, most is ignored. All the best, Jake Here's that JS example: <script language="JavaScript"> <!-- {There's that all-important comment tag} function TripodShowPopup() { // open the popup window. stick a timestamp to foil caching. Some versions of Netscape do not automatically load // the page specified by the URL paramter of wondow.open(). As such, we create the window empty, then explicitly load // the page with the location object var now = new Date(); var popupURL = "/adm/popup/roadmap.shtml?"+"member_name=stanislavs&path=games&client_ip=195.92.19 8.84&ts=949360014&ad_type=POPUP&id=924464591bf036dd4e7fcb112b4ac71c"; var popupName = "TripodPopup"; var popup = window.open("", popupName,'toolbar=0,location=0,directories=0,status=0,menubar=0,scrollbars=0,resizable=0 ,width=593,height=125'); popup.location = popupURL; } TripodShowPopup(); // --> {there's the closing comment tag} </script> At 30/01/00 14:06:00, Neil Parks wrote: >Using Arachne 1.60 beta 1, I want to read my email on mailandnews.com . > >I go to the home page, enter my user name and password, and press the >login button. Arachne fetches the page containing the index of new msgs, >but displays only a blank screen. > >I press F4 to bring up the editor, and find in the HEAD area there are a >few lines containing Java script. I delete those lines, and press the >Save and View button. The page then displays perfectly. > >Same again when I want to read an individual msg. Blank screen, edit out >short Java script (always within the HEAD area), and then page appears and >looks good. > >Until such time as Arachne supports Javascript, should it not simply >ignore anything from <script> to </script> ? Why should the presence of >a script in the header prevent display of an otherwise Arachne-friendly >page? > >-- >....This msg brought to you by NEIL PARKS Beachwood, Ohio > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.en.com/users/neparks/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:13:01 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: small java script prevents display Jake, Thank you very much. I just tested this at couple of pages where I knew the problem existed. Here's a "new" work-around. Since Arachne v1.60b1 now supports F7 search while in an F4 edit screen, it's easier than ever before. When the "< within JS" problem occurs: 1) F4 to edit the page 2) F7 and search for </scr 3) insert a > just before that tag { </script> becomes ></script> } 4) F2 to save and view IMO, It should be pointed-out that this _is_ an Arachne "bug" which still needs to be fixed. To duplicate this problem: 1) press H to show your hotlist 2) F4 and delete the > from the end of this line <!-- start of Hotlist Manager output --> 3) F2 to save and view. {everything after <HR SIZE=6> will be blank} 4) F4 and put the > back in. 5) F2 to get your hotlist back. On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 0:35:23 +0800, J J Young wrote: > {Written before reading Neil's acknowledgement of a solution sent by Glenn} > Tips like editing the document source ought to be incorporated into the > Arachne-User's Survival Pack, particularly as the providers of the pages > we all go to now and then have no "history", no comprehension that > anybody's using other than a post-Version4 Big-2 browser. > Neil, here's a copy&paste from some 'orrible pop-up window. Note > that there are <!-- and --> tags immediately after and before the > <script> and </script> tags. These tags allow for comments to be > hidden from the visitor but in this instance allow browsers that don't > care for JavaScript to ignore the scripting, whereas the Java-aware > browser will be on the lookout for the comment tag after it's seen the > <script> tag. I assume that the comment tags have been left out > of the page you visit by someone of the type described in Para 1. > You should send in feedback though, despite giving the impression > that user-contact is welcomed, most is ignored. > All the best, > Jake > Here's that JS example: > <script language="JavaScript"> > <!-- {There's that all-important comment tag} > function TripodShowPopup() > { > // open the popup window. stick a timestamp to foil caching. Some versions of > Netscape do not automatically load > // the page specified by the URL paramter of wondow.open(). As such, we > create the > window empty, then explicitly load > // the page with the location object > var now = new Date(); > var popupURL = > "/adm/popup/roadmap.shtml?"+"member_name=stanislavs&path=games&client_ip=195.92.19 > 8.84&ts=949360014&ad_type=POPUP&id=924464591bf036dd4e7fcb112b4ac71c"; > var popupName = "TripodPopup"; > var popup = window.open("", > popupName,'toolbar=0,location=0,directories=0,status=0,menubar=0,scrollbars=0,resizable=0 > ,width=593,height=125'); > popup.location = popupURL; > } > TripodShowPopup(); > // --> {there's the closing comment tag} > </script> > At 30/01/00 14:06:00, Neil Parks wrote: >> Using Arachne 1.60 beta 1, I want to read my email on mailandnews.com . >> I go to the home page, enter my user name and password, and press the >> login button. Arachne fetches the page containing the index of new msgs, >> but displays only a blank screen. >> I press F4 to bring up the editor, and find in the HEAD area there are a >> few lines containing Java script. I delete those lines, and press the >> Save and View button. The page then displays perfectly. >> Same again when I want to read an individual msg. Blank screen, edit out >> short Java script (always within the HEAD area), and then page appears and >> looks good. >> Until such time as Arachne supports Javascript, should it not simply >> ignore anything from <script> to </script> ? Why should the presence of >> a script in the header prevent display of an otherwise Arachne-friendly >> page? >> -- >> ....This msg brought to you by NEIL PARKS Beachwood, Ohio >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.en.com/users/neparks/ - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #979 *****************************
