arachne-digest Saturday, February 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 981 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: System date/time Has anybody run Arachne when their computer's clock/calendar was off, especially ahead rather than behind? UKA_PPP is subject to crashing if something is not just right, like WATTCP.CFG environment variable pointing to any directory other than the UKA_PPP directory. Then I noticed strange years in my file times, would show 94 in directory listing though the month and day were OK. First time the year was set back to 1994, and Arachne was not affected. Second time, I thought the same thing happened when I saw 94 in file directory listings, but when I went to correct the date, I found I was in year 2094. Arachne did strange things like not scrolling when displaying an Internet page, while OK with file on one's own computer. On some Web pages, Arachne got stuck in an infinite loop, but clicking on the X stopped the endless repetition. Now I wonder what happens if the system clock is just a couple hours ahead, as opposed to 94 years. My computer clock is 2:14 behind (hours:minutes), one hour more during daylight saving/losing time because I don't bother to spring forward, fall back on the computer. Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:02:33 +0000 From: "Vicki & Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: My Computer Bug I remember seeing some enquires some time back about the my computer button freezing up systems. I didn,t have this problem on my 486 running dos 5 but upgrading to a 6x86 and running windows 95 no gui and non standard config. The problem has surfaced I am assuming its got something to do with 95. My question is did anbody find cure for this problem. If so could you please post the cure again please. Wayne - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 02:06:21 +1000 From: "Ben Hood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: small java script prevents display On Thursday, "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: ] That's a good point. ] ] Michael, ] Would this work??? ] "<script" == "<!--" and "</scritpt>" == "-->" This is what I thought would be a good idea. Arachne not only ignores "<" contained but also ">", so you have to end with a "-->" (AFAIK, but the last time I did any testing with this was with 1.2b9 so it might be changed since then :) ] Also IMO, "<!--" should not require "-->" How would you know when the end of the comment was? ] The next "<" should be interpreted correctly even if "-->" is not found. Sometimes its useful to comment out largeish blocks of code: <!-- <a href="blah.htm">blah</a> - --> If you didn't want "blah" to appear at all... AFAICT the "big browsers" only end the comment like: <!-- propper comment --> <!-- dont see this > do see this <!-- < dont see this > dont see this > do see this <!-- <<<>> still a comment <<>>> still a comment > not a comment but it would be required by the W3C to include the "-->". I was trying out different comments, different parts appeared in different browsers... - -- | .~. | Hoody has the hots for whats in the box with the dots! | /V\ | http://hoody.virtualave.net updated 14 Jan 2000 | // \\ | http://hoody.penguinpowered.com when I'm online | /( )\ | ICQ: five oh one seven five one seven oh | ^`~'^ | Carpe Aptenodytes! Does it take an entomologist to recognize a computer bug? | C607EUW | "We apologise for the inconvenience" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:41:18 -0800 From: Dion Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: System date/time Thomas, If you are using uka_ppp AND arachne, could you send me a copy of your uka_ppp configuration files? (or post them if appropriate) I am trying to get these two to work together (uka_ppp to dial and establish a ppp link, and arachne for the browser). uka_ppp dials and seems to establish a connection, but I dont know how to switch over to arachne. When I just start it up, it says there is no ppp running. Thanks, - -Dion Dion L. Johnson II - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scotts Valley, CA 95066 On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 04:20:42AM -0500, Thomas Mueller wrote: > Has anybody run Arachne when their computer's clock/calendar was off, especially > ahead rather than behind? > > UKA_PPP is subject to crashing if something is not just right, like WATTCP.CFG > environment variable pointing to any directory other than the UKA_PPP directory. > Then I noticed strange years in my file times, would show 94 in directory > listing though the month and day were OK. First time the year was set back to > 1994, and Arachne was not affected. Second time, I thought the same thing > happened when I saw 94 in file directory listings, but when I went to correct > the date, I found I was in year 2094. Arachne did strange things like not > scrolling when displaying an Internet page, while OK with file on one's own > computer. On some Web pages, Arachne got stuck in an infinite loop, but > clicking on the X stopped the endless repetition. Now I wonder what happens if > the system clock is just a couple hours ahead, as opposed to 94 years. My > computer clock is 2:14 behind (hours:minutes), one hour more during daylight > saving/losing time because I don't bother to spring forward, fall back on the > computer. > > Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology > http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:36:37 +0800 From: J J Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Round 2... I saved both pages mentioned below using the Opera browser's useful ability to "Save with images". I've only just got around to looking at the source of the second "Forever-under-construction" page. The problem is its use of the <td height="n"> attribute, which Arachne doesn't understand. I substituted shim-GIFs* of the heights specified and the page was OK apart from the not quite equivalent Arachne and Windows font sizing, and the slower scrolling of the page. * Shim-GIFs are usually 1x1 pixel transparent GIFs. The document need only call one such GIF, like this: <img src="shim.gif" height="N" width="n"> Either "N" or "n" (or both) may be omitted depending on your purpose, though it's better to specify both -- with one value omitted MSIE3 has problems, even when images aren't loaded. You can create a rectangular or square blank or colored shim of any size by using only a tiny GIF image with height and width attributes. Shim-GIFs give precise control over spacing the elements of a document, but their value is lost if the page is saved without images by the visitor. I prefer not to use them. Regards, Jake ... and now (some time) for Openbox.com On 17 January 2000 Jorge Alex Ortega O. wrote: >i'm triste (sad) > >turn on your PC (if you already have it off :D) >in dos prompt type arachne >when ready press F3 >type: WWW.OPENBOX.COM >Wait... > >If you doesn't understand anything, it will not only >because is a 'official spanish' page (many times >myself doesn't understand this type!) but the screen >will apears with many thigs over anothers... see by >yourself... i don't have time to think what is the >translation to the english of that word :) >I think that there's some bug in HTML display of >arachne.... but i don't have time to take a look the >source code of openbox, so i'dont know what's >happen... > >And that's not all my Forever-under-construction page >will not be dispayed correctly by arachne >(http://www.geocities.com/neo_haohmaru) have the same >problem and this have only basic HTML tags... > >Another bug to the list..... > >Cheers > >J. >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:57:54 -0800 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: V1.6 - Changing mail buttons.... Edenyard wrote: > > This morning, I ran Arachne V1.6, fetched mail as usual, then > disconnected. Went to Inbox and read first message. Decided to delete > it, so went to the top to click on Trash. > > It wasn't there!!! A completely NEW arrangement of just 4 buttons, > including one saying '<< MAIN MESSAGE'. > > So then I thought a while.... Suddenly, I remembered that, yesterday, > I'd remarked-out SET TEMP= in AUTOEXEC.BAT because my RAM disk > wasn't big enough for the temporary file that was to be created. I had > forgotton to put SET TEMP= back. When I went back and restored it this > morning and re-booted - hey, presto! - the usual mail buttons came back. Hi Ron; Finally, someone else has seen the problem I had with mail ! That's the screen I got when I selected mail from the Inbox - BUT I had SET TEMP=C:\ARACHNE\TEMP. I can't recall if I ever tried it with a trailing "\" and I can't test it anymore because, since downloading new mail, I now get the "Cannot create ARACHNE\TEMP\$IDX$cnm.IDX" message with 127 [+] kb available offline. I tried removing the [130] for inbox.dgi but that didn't help. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:05:32 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: System date/time Thomas, Your question has propted this test. Michael, Insight has a _Major_ date handling problem. On 19 Jan, 2038 at 03:14:15 Insight reverts to 01 Jan, 1970 at 00:00:00 All messages created after this date/time get the same date/time stamp. The big question is..... Can you fix this in time???? After-all, we have less than 38 years before the Y2038_BUG hits us.<vbg> On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:20:42 -0500 (EST), Thomas Mueller wrote: > Has anybody run Arachne when their computer's clock/calendar was off, especially > ahead rather than behind? > UKA_PPP is subject to crashing if something is not just right, like WATTCP.CFG > environment variable pointing to any directory other than the UKA_PPP directory. > Then I noticed strange years in my file times, would show 94 in directory > listing though the month and day were OK. First time the year was set back to > 1994, and Arachne was not affected. Second time, I thought the same thing > happened when I saw 94 in file directory listings, but when I went to correct > the date, I found I was in year 2094. Arachne did strange things like not > scrolling when displaying an Internet page, while OK with file on one's own > computer. On some Web pages, Arachne got stuck in an infinite loop, but > clicking on the X stopped the endless repetition. Now I wonder what happens if > the system clock is just a couple hours ahead, as opposed to 94 years. My > computer clock is 2:14 behind (hours:minutes), one hour more during daylight > saving/losing time because I don't bother to spring forward, fall back on the > computer. > Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology > http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:43:32 -0600 From: "Jack Cotter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PPP link is down Hi, This is an update to the situation. Last week I was using Arachne ver 1.5 since then I have updated to ver 1.6. Michael I have used your Netdial/Arachne1.6 combo.(aka The Big Hammer). It works fine on the machines that work. No good on the Compaq 590! The dial-up and connect to my ISP works fine. I get the PPP session start from the ISP. I get to the PAKTDRVR routine(i.e. ... Going to Arachne 1.6) and nothing happens. The path.cfg shows no results for my-ip, gateway, or netmask (the nameservers echo works). I switched to the diagnostic version of epppd (epppdd). I get no errors from either version. If I redirect the output to a file the file is written, but nothing is in it. I tried loading epppd in low memory (I'm only using 23k on the 590 installation). No good. I think this is the same problem as when using the Arachne dial-up. Looks like epppd will just not work on this machine! Jack Cotter - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael L. Dawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 5:05 PM Subject: PPP link is down > Hello all, > I have rewritten my aracdial.bat file that I have been using with > my Netdial 1.3 - Arachne 1.60 combination. The new one is attached. > Problem I had, only on this Compaq 575, was that the computer would > sometimes lock up after the packet driver was installed, and the script > would never get to Arachne 1.60. I had to turn the power off on the > computer and start over. It was a buggy script, so I am replacing it. > I have sent a copy to Jack Carter, who is trying to get a Compaq 590 > to connect with Arachne 1.60. Please note that epppd is loaded high, > and that'll work on setups that have enough Upper Memory to take > epppd, about 70K. Those of us that have these machines have had trouble > with the usual Arachne dialup setup, so I have put > together the Netdial 1.3 - Arachne 1.60 combination to use on them. > Thanks, > Michael L. Dawley > Pearl, Mississippi - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- > > COMPAQ deskpro 575 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 00:26:07 From: "Michael L. Dawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PPP link is down - --=====================_949739167==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From: "Jack Cotter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi, >This is an update to the situation. > >Last week I was using Arachne ver 1.5 since then I have updated to ver >1.6. > >Michael I have used your Netdial/Arachne1.6 combo.(aka The Big Hammer). >It works fine on the machines that work. No good on the Compaq 590! The >dial-up and connect to my ISP works fine. I get the PPP session start >from the ISP. I get to the PAKTDRVR routine(i.e. ... Going to Arachne >1.6) and nothing happens. The path.cfg shows no results for my-ip, >gateway, or netmask (the nameservers echo works). > >I switched to the diagnostic version of epppd (epppdd). I get no errors >from either version. If I redirect the output to a file the file is >written, but nothing is in it. > >I tried loading epppd in low memory (I'm only using 23k on the 590 >installation). No good. > >I think this is the same problem as when using the Arachne dial-up. >Looks like epppd will just not work on this machine! > >Jack Cotter Jack, Post your mem.txt file to the list. I wonder if you have enough conventional memory to run arachne and also the 70K epppd.exe To do that, at the DOS prompt type mem/c > mem.txt Also, you can step through the entire batch file one line at a time with this: - -------------------------- COMMAND /Y /C web.bat - -------------------------- That uses the web.bat file in my Netdial-Arachne combo given again here: - ------------------------- @Echo Off C: cd C:\netdial aracdial.bat %1 %2 %3 %4 - ------------------------- Stepping though slowly might make it work, or at least let you see what's going on in a different light... - ---------------------------------------------- Back to the mem.txt file: I have one machine that has a CDROM drive, and the two drivers for that I placed in upper memory. Together they were 46K, so that crowded out my epppd that I had placed in upper memory with "LH". So, I had to put epppd in conventional memory, but there was only 28K used for MSDOS, SETVER, HIMEM, EMM386 and COMMAND, leaving 613K for Arachne, and epppd. With epppd, then, about 70K more is used, leaving 543K for Arachne. That's enough. Not having to use Netdial-Arachne on that machine. Even though the numbers add up to _enough_ for Arachne and epppd, I sometimes have to use the Netdial-Arachne combo on other machines, and after exaustive tests (me, not the machine) on my Compaq, I still find _some_ failures at the point in the aracdial.bat script where epppd is supposed to work. I've rewritten aracdial.bat once more, to try and jump over the epppd hurdle, and get Arachne running. Here's the critical part: - ------------------------------ Holdit 4 > nul if errorlevel 0 goto :ARACHNE if errorlevel 200 goto :END rem packet driver loaded, so ready to start Arachne :ARACHNE @Echo Off C: cd C:\ARACHNE arachne.bat %1 %2 %3 %4 - -------------------------------- The _latest_ aracdial.bat is attached. - ------------------------------------- The Compaq 590 has been a problem, others with 590's have tried the Netdial-Arachne combo and given up. I'd like to get ahold of a 590 and battle it out myself. There may be too many drivers in conventional memory for Arachne and epppd to work on those machines, that's why I have requested the mem.txt file be posted to the list. Also, I need some input on the aracdial.bat file from those on the list that are experienced in writing .bat files. Although I have some epppd failures on my Compaq 575, the Netdial- Arachne combo usually works, and enough so I consider it about 80% reliable. Hope this helps, Michael L. Dawley Pearl, Mississippi - --=====================_949739167==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ARACDIAL.BAT" @echo off rem Batch file name aracdial.bat. rem A version of Bobcat's bcatdial.bat for use with Arachne. rem This copy goes in c:\netdial directory. rem Uses Netdial 1.3 - nd130.zip rem Modified to boot up Arachne after connection made. rem February 2, 2000. rem clear the screen and set screen and text color. cls setscrn rem dial up the ISP :DIAL echo. echo Dialing Intop ISP for Arachne 1.60 echo. echo OFF NETDIAL COMn 2 BASE 0x2F8 IRQ 3 57600 TRIES 4 IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO :BUSY IF ERRORLEVEL 200 goto :END goto :PKTDRVR :BUSY cls setscrn echo. echo Unable to reach ISP - will Dial again - Esc to quit. echo. Holdit 3 > nul if errorlevel 2 goto :END cls setscrn goto :DIAL rem starting epppd and going to arachne :PKTDRVR echo. echo Connecting to Intop Internet Service Provider. echo. echo Arachne 1.60 will start in a moment... echo. @lh epppd base 0x2F8 irq 3 pktvec 0x60 57600 asyncmap 0 crtscts call IP-UP.bat rem set GATEWAY=%REMIP% echo my_ip=%MYIP% > path.cfg echo gateway=%remip% >> path.cfg echo netmask=%netmask% >> path.cfg echo nameserver=206.156.254.2 >> path.cfg echo nameserver=206.156.2.0 >> path.cfg echo Ip address set to %MYIP% Holdit 4 > nul if errorlevel 0 goto :ARACHNE if errorlevel 200 goto :END rem packet driver loaded, so ready to start Arachne :ARACHNE @Echo Off C: cd C:\ARACHNE arachne.bat %1 %2 %3 %4 :END cls setscrn echo. echo Disconnecting from Intop Internet Service Provider. echo. Holdit 4 > nul rem remove packet driver. hang up the phone. termin 0x60 netdial COMn 2 BASE 0x2F8 IRQ 3 hangup cls C: cd C:\ - --=====================_949739167==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" COMPAQ deskpro 575 - --=====================_949739167==_-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:29:16 EST From: "Neil Parks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Correct address for list? On 3 Feb 00 at 5:20, arachne-digest wrote: > From: "Edenyard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I seem to have seen quite a few different mail addresses now for > messages to this revered Arachne list. Is there an absolute authority on > the list who could say for certain what address to use? For example, is > it [EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED], or > [EMAIL PROTECTED], or.... What's the difference between all these > various addresses? [EMAIL PROTECTED] works for me > Does it vary, depending upon whether one subscribes to Arachne or > Arachne-Digest? Shouldn't do. - -- ...This msg brought to you by NEIL PARKS Beachwood, Ohio mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.en.com/users/neparks/ ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #981 *****************************
