arachne-digest Sunday, February 6 2000 Volume 01 : Number 982 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:20:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Duplicate messages A message that I sent once appears twice on this list, same Message-ID. I copied each one separately onto the References line, and they look the same. Second time, there were more header lines added by servers in .de & .cz domains. I believe this has happened before, in most cases not the sender's error. Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:45:52 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: small java script prevents display On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 1:21:6 +0800, J J Young wrote: > The use of comment tags to hide scripting allows pre-JavaScript and > Java-aware browsers to co-exist as long as the guidelines are obeyed. > As Arachne is not a pre-JavaScript browser, she _should_ be aware > of the script tags and choose to ignore the scripting between them, > until such time as some Java capability has percolated. > This would give her a "belt & braces" approach that isn't fazed by omitted > comment tags. > Incidentally, JavaScript doesn't only appear in the head of documents. That's a good point. Michael, Would this work??? "<script" == "<!--" and "</scritpt>" == "-->" Also IMO, "<!--" should not require "-->" The next "<" should be interpreted correctly even if "-->" is not found. - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: System date/time Has anybody run Arachne when their computer's clock/calendar was off, especially ahead rather than behind? UKA_PPP is subject to crashing if something is not just right, like WATTCP.CFG environment variable pointing to any directory other than the UKA_PPP directory. Then I noticed strange years in my file times, would show 94 in directory listing though the month and day were OK. First time the year was set back to 1994, and Arachne was not affected. Second time, I thought the same thing happened when I saw 94 in file directory listings, but when I went to correct the date, I found I was in year 2094. Arachne did strange things like not scrolling when displaying an Internet page, while OK with file on one's own computer. On some Web pages, Arachne got stuck in an infinite loop, but clicking on the X stopped the endless repetition. Now I wonder what happens if the system clock is just a couple hours ahead, as opposed to 94 years. My computer clock is 2:14 behind (hours:minutes), one hour more during daylight saving/losing time because I don't bother to spring forward, fall back on the computer. Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology http://pages.cthome.net/iact/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:42:38 -0400 From: "Dev Teelucksingh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: C programs and 2038 On Fri, 04 Feb 2000, "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > Michael, > Insight has a _Major_ date handling problem. > On 19 Jan, 2038 at 03:14:15 Insight reverts to 01 Jan, 1970 at 00:00:00 > All messages created after this date/time get the same date/time stamp. > The big question is..... Can you fix this in time???? > After-all, we have less than 38 years before the Y2038_BUG hits us.<vbg> This is a known problem with C which I discovered when researching the Y2K bug. The variable in C used to track the time (think it is the number of seconds elapsed since 1st Jan 1970) will roll over to 0 in 2038 (which the software of course thinks is 1st Jan 1970) So a lot of software written in C (which includes Linux or Eudora (see Eudora's Y2K page) ) will have this problem which includes Insight since it is written in Borland C. I am not sure if there has been any solution yet since everyone was working on Y2K. Does anyone knows of any website discussing solutions to this problem or the problem in detail like the Y2K sites? Dev Teelucksingh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting DOS programs page at http://www.opus.co.tt/dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:15:42 +0300 (MSK) From: Sergei Kramar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Invisible SysFont Hello listers! I uploaded my 1.5 Arachcne for 1.6b1 but couldn't work with it and come back to old 1.5 version. The problem is connected with SysFont color. If I set AltSysFont in .cgf other than 0 (I did it because I use Cyrillic keyboard) color of messages made by SysFont became coincide with background color and hence SysFont became invisible. Its color when AltSysFont=1 or 2,3... is not controlled by Colors variable in .cfg (all is OK when AltSysFont=0). I describe the situation in more details on example of ppp_init.htm page. If AltSysFont=0 first parameter of Colors variable sets font color in input fields and cross color in checkboxes but second parametr of Colors variable sets the background in the input fields and checkboxes. If AltSysFont=1,2,... Colors variable sets correctly background color and cross color in checkboxes and background color in the input fields but NOT sets font color. Font color always coincide with background color and one can't read URL, Phone number, Profile, etc. I've check 1.6b1 version on different PC (486DLC with Trident512k video and PII with 2Mb video) for different video settings. Independent. Does anybody know what could be done to resolve this problem? Thanks. Sergei Kramar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:46:32 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: C programs and 2038 On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:42:38 -0400, Dev Teelucksingh wrote: > On Fri, 04 Feb 2000, "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : <snip> >> Insight has a _Major_ date handling problem. >> On 19 Jan, 2038 at 03:14:15 Insight reverts to 01 Jan, 1970 at 00:00:00 >> All messages created after this date/time get the same date/time stamp. >> The big question is..... Can you fix this in time???? >> After-all, we have less than 38 years before the Y2038_BUG hits us.<vbg> <snip> > I am not sure if there has been any solution yet since everyone was > working on Y2K. Does anyone knows of any website discussing solutions > to this problem or the problem in detail like the Y2K sites? IMHO, it is premature to worry about this problem at the present time. For all we know, before the next 38 years would have passed us by, most all current computers and programming languages and operating systems might have become so obsolete as to be considered mere curiosities in museums of technology. The only people still actually using such technology would consist only of a small group of old fools and patriarchs like us. By the time that day comes around, we might have become recognized only as interesting subjects for interviews by the History Channel, and deserving of an occasional passing mention on Time Lab 2000. - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:15:14 +0000 From: "Flip ter Biecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: www.ns.nl/reisplan1a.asp java bug? hello all, http://www.ns.nl/reisplan1a.asp is a link on http://www.ns.nl/internationaal, and is supposed to give info on international train schedules from the Dutch railway homepage. In previous versions of arachne, I could use this page, after cutting out a javascript tag. This version though, locks up in some loop while "loading page from disk". Does it for everyone? Bart - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:26:35 +0000 From: "Flip ter Biecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: www.ns.nl/reisplan1a.asp additional The lockup I described in the previous mess can be interrupted by pressing backspace (only). esc is ignored, ctrl break crashes the system. Then the problem as in previous releases turns out to be a javascript tag, that can be deleted and then the form can be used, but only by putting the cursor in the last text field and pressing enter, since the search-button too, contains a script tag. Train connections from prague to london are then efficiently displayed... But indeed, just ignoring <script> to </script> should be a nice one.. Bart - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:09:50 -0800 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Cannot make $IDX$cnm.idx Hello All; I have been playing with my "testbed" system - a new (for me) 90Mhz Pentium with 16 Mb Ram running DOS 6.2. I will continue to use my 33Mhz '486 for all normal activities just so I don't get the mistaken idea that Fatware is fast enough. I am amazed that so many of you using the latest DOSs can get Arachne to run at all ! I say this because Arachne is a HOG for low memory and it seems very difficult to get any reasonable amount of low memory with DOS 6.2. I am used to having 670,784 bytes free with my regular system. Arachne is by far the biggest memory pig of ANY software I use. Autocad LIKES memory but it still works under 500k - just slower. Initially, with everything possible loaded high (without the help of QEMM) I could only get 630,528 bytes free which was apparantly not enough for Arachne 1.60b1 because inbox.dgi would give me the "cannot make $IDX$cnm.idx" message. My altM popup said I had 127 [+] DOS kb. For those of you with a similar problem, I got more free memory by setting my stacks to 0,0 in config.sys. This gave me 633,552 bytes free and Arachne then was able to run Insight and make the index. I now have 130 [+] DOS kb. If anyone has more than 633,552 bytes free with DOS 6+, would you please share the tricks with the rest of us ? <G> I know I can get more with QEMM, but what can HIMEM.sys users do ? - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 22:00:35 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Cannot make $IDX$cnm.idx On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:09:50 -0800, Clarence Verge wrote: > was able to run Insight and make the index. I now have 130 [+] DOS kb. > If anyone has more than 633,552 bytes free with DOS 6+, would you please share > the tricks with the rest of us ? <G> > I know I can get more with QEMM, but what can HIMEM.sys users do ? Have you tried using EMM386 instead? - ---config.sys--- rem OPENDOS 7.01 DEVICE=C:\OPENDOS\EMM386.EXE DPMI=OFF FRAME=AUTO /R=AUTO DOS=HIGH,UMB SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /E:512 /P BREAK=ON BUFFERS=30 FILES=50 FCBS=4,4 LASTDRIVE=L - ---------------- - ---autoexec.bat--- :OpenDOSBEG @echo off SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4 SET PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\;C:\OPENDOS comports.com drmouse /R22 NWCACHE 7670 1024 /LEND=ON /DELAY=ON VERIFY OFF PROMPT [OPENDOS 7.01] $P$G SET TEMP=C:\TEMP IF NOT DIREXIST %TEMP% MD %TEMP% SET OPENDOSCFG=C:\OPENDOS :OpenDOSEND - ------------------ DOS memory information Arachne 1.60 file:c:\arachne\cache\49802639.htm Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:05:31 ______________________________________________________________________________ DOS memory information Note: Arachne requires at least 425 KB of conventional memory to run correctly ============================================================================ Memory Type Total Bytes ( Kbytes ) Available For Programs Conventional 654,336 ( 639K ) 638,272 ( 623K ) Upper 98,304 ( 96K ) 54,112 ( 53K ) High 65,520 ( 64K ) 3,096 ( 3K ) Extended 66,060,288 ( 64,512K ) 0 ( 0K ) Extended via XMS -------- 7,352,320 ( 7,180K ) EMS 33,554,432 ( 32,768K ) 32,505,856 ( 31,744K ) Largest executable program: 638,256 ( 623K ) Total Free DOS memory: 692,384 ( 676K ) ============================================================================== DOS memory information Arachne 1.60 file:c:\arachne\cache\49802649.htm Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:04:52 ______________________________________________________________________________ DOS memory information Note: Arachne requires at least 425 KB of conventional memory to run correctly ============================================================================ Conventional memory: Name Size in Decimal Size in Hex DOS 243,840 ( 238K ) 3B880 EMMXXXX0 1,200 ( 1K ) 4B0 COMMAND 1,424 ( 1K ) 590 FREE 638,272 ( 623K ) 9BD40 Memory Type Total Bytes ( Kbytes ) Available For Programs Extended 66,060,288 ( 64,512K ) 0 ( 0K ) Extended via XMS -------- 7,352,320 ( 7,180K ) EMS 33,554,432 ( 32,768K ) 32,505,856 ( 31,744K ) Largest executable program: 638,256 ( 623K ) Total Free DOS memory: 692,384 ( 676K ) ============================================================================== DOS memory in v1.60b1 off-line 135 [+] green on-line 66 [+] green - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:49:45 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Invisible SysFont On 5 Feb 00 at 22:15, Sergei Kramar wrote: >>The problem is connected with SysFont color. If I set AltSysFont in .cgf >>other than 0 (I did it because I use Cyrillic keyboard) color of messages >>made by SysFont became coincide with background color and hence SysFont >>became invisible. Its color when AltSysFont=1 or 2,3... is not controlled by >>Colors variable in .cfg (all is OK when AltSysFont=0). I describe the >>situation in more details on example of ppp_init.htm page. If AltSysFont=0 >>first parameter of Colors variable sets font color in input fields and cross >>color in checkboxes but second parametr of Colors variable sets the >>background in the input fields and checkboxes. If AltSysFont=1,2,... Colors >>variable sets correctly background color and cross color in checkboxes and >>background color in the input fields but NOT sets font color. Font color >>always coincide with background color and one can't read URL, Phone number, >>Profile, etc. I've check 1.6b1 version on different PC (486DLC with >>Trident512k video and PII with 2Mb video) for different video settings. >>Independent. >> >>Does anybody know what could be done to resolve this problem? Good question Sergei. I have the same problem but I think it only does it at the 800x600 and higher resolutions. I have a Trident 9440 w/2 megs RAM on a 486DX2/66 (at 80 mhz). Regards, Dale Mentzer It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:55:06 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: C programs and 2038 On 5 Feb 00 at 15:46, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: >>IMHO, it is premature to worry about this problem at the present time. >>For all we know, before the next 38 years would have passed us by, most all >>current computers and programming languages and operating systems might have >>become so obsolete as to be considered mere curiosities in museums of >>technology. The only people still actually using such technology would >>consist only of a small group of old fools and patriarchs like us. By the >>time that day comes around, we might have become recognized only as >>interesting subjects for interviews by the History Channel, and deserving of >>an occasional passing mention on Time Lab 2000. I don't know. Maybe we should start putting back some bottled water and canned foodstuffs. ;) In the meantime I am going to try and get one of my XT's to interface with an electric wheelchair. If we're going to hang on to these things we might as well find some use for them in our old age. Regards, Dale Mentzer I wish the buck stopped here. I could use a few. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 22:48:41 -0800 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Cannot make $IDX$cnm.idx Glenn McCorkle wrote: > > On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:09:50 -0800, Clarence Verge wrote: > > > If anyone has more than 633,552 bytes free with DOS 6+, would you please share > > the tricks with the rest of us ? <G> > > I know I can get more with QEMM, but what can HIMEM.sys users do ? > > Have you tried using EMM386 instead? > > ---config.sys--- > rem OPENDOS 7.01 > DEVICE=C:\OPENDOS\EMM386.EXE DPMI=OFF FRAME=AUTO /R=AUTO > DOS=HIGH,UMB.................... Hi Glenn; Well, you obviously have managed to get 5k more than me but it seems I can't do that with MSDOS 6.2. I have to have BOTH HIMEM.sys and EMM386.exe loaded to make it work at all. :-(( > ---autoexec.bat--- > :OpenDOSBEG > @echo off > SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4 > SET PATH=\;C:\1BATCH;C:\;C:\OPENDOS > comports.com > drmouse /R22 > NWCACHE 7670 1024 /LEND=ON /DELAY=ON................. I also notice you have no loadhigh or lh statements in your autoexec. Does that mean that OPENDOS takes care of that for you ?? - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:38:40 +0200 From: "Or Botton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Linux arachne - opinion I know that we all (well, most of us) want to see a Linux version of Arachne, in this way or another, but personally I think that it should wait until the DOS version is more stable, and with less problems: the reason being that the Linux version will be based on the DOS version, and because, as Michael have stated, both will be in almost the same development level (except for several improvments that i'm sure he will put in that are possible in Linux enviroments and not in DOS, and several changes that will probebly have to be done in order to allow it to run on native Linux enviroment efficently.) Thats what I think. How about everyone else? Or Botton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - "Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense." - ----------------------------- http://members.xoom.com/dsdp/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 04:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: System date/time > If you are using uka_ppp AND arachne, could you send me a copy of your uka_ppp configuration files? (or post them if appropriate) I am trying to get these two to work together (uka_ppp to dial and establish a ppp link, and arachne for the browser). uka_ppp dials and seems to establish a connection, but I dont know how to switch over to arachne. When I just start it up, it says there is no ppp running. > Arachne ought to see the packet driver. Or does UKA_PPP dial, do the email and news, and then hang up? Arachne would have to know, in ARACHNE.CFG, where to find MYIP, REMIP, etc, in environment variables or file such as WATTCP.CFG. UKA_PPP dialer wants to tie to COM1 despite address 0x2e8, which is COM4. So I use a separate dialer with EPPPD & CHAT. This is OK for DOS Lynx 386 and Arachne, but when I am ready to use UKA_PPP, I have to edit the MYIP line in WATTCP.CFG, either with text editor or sed. UKA_PPP apparently does not understand environment variables, %MYIP%, $MYIP or $(MYIP) does not work. WATTCP.CFG environment variable must be either undefined or point to UKA_PPP directory. It is a danged nuisance, sometimes I forget to run SETUKA.BAT, which among other things sets WATTCP.CFG environment variable to UKA_PPP directory, and then UKA_PPP bombs, sometimes setting the date back 6 years or ahead 94 years. Dion, you use Mutt 1.0us? What OS does that run under? Now I hope I remember to see at http://www.mutt.org. Latest I remember was Linux/Unix and OS/2 Warp versions. I see you are in Scotts Valley CA: Borland/Inprise town? Thomas Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 04:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: "My Computer" bug > I remember seeing some enquires some time back about the my computer button freezing up systems. I didn,t have this problem on my 486 running dos 5 but upgrading to a 6x86 and running windows 95 no gui and non standard config. The problem has surfaced I am assuming its got something to do with 95. My question is did anbody find cure for this problem. If so could you please post the cure again please. > "My Computer" button belongs to Windows, not DOS, so the 486 running DOS 5 would be unaffected. I thought "My Computer" button only existed in the GUI, and would not affect a computer running windows 95 or 98 without GUI. Thomas Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:50:40 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: Re: C programs and 2038 Hi "Dev Teelucksingh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DT> This is a known problem with C which I discovered when researching DT> the Y2K bug. The variable in C used to track the time (think it is the DT> number of seconds elapsed since 1st Jan 1970) will roll over to 0 in DT> 2038 (which the software of course thinks is 1st Jan 1970) DT> So a lot of software written in C (which includes Linux or Eudora DT> (see Eudora's Y2K page) ) will have this problem which includes DT> Insight since it is written in Borland C. DT> I am not sure if there has been any solution yet since everyone was DT> working on Y2K. Sure everybody has worked on Y2K ... Y2K was now, and this 'problem' will be in 27.x years ... AND if you recompile using a 64 bit intgere instead of 32 bits, you'll have MUUUUUUUUUUCH time to use the software. But to be absolutely honest I doupt that any program developed now will be used in 30 years ! DT> Dev Teelucksingh CU, Ricsi - -- Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.} - -=> Baby Philosophy - If it stinks, change it <=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:39:27 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: "My Computer" bug Thomas Mueller wrote: >"My Computer" button belongs to Windows, not DOS, so the 486 running DOS 5 would >be unaffected. I thought "My Computer" button only existed in the GUI, and >would not affect a computer running windows 95 or 98 without GUI. I think the original writer meant file://@:\*.* - I'm a little unsure on wheter or not the link is correctly written - the drive listings in Arachne. This has been reported earlier not to work with Windows95. Perhaps I should check it out with my Win95 installation I recently installed - I installed it 9 times before my TVCard worked with the new drivers, and I have a bad feeling about getting the NIC to work in Windows95. //Bernie http://hem1.passagen.se/bernie/index.htm DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 16:59:31 From: Van Voordturen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: whatis .pdf Hello all, Last week I finally found a 57k6 modem for my 486. Little problem: I don't have a cd-rom. Of course other software works nicely with my choice of modem (that's why it took so long), but in order to use it's additional features like voice answering, I downloaded the manual from the manufacturer. That's the .pdf file I'd like to open. So far I tried winzip, arachne, midnight commander and netscape for linux on it, but apart from calling it a "portable data file", all failed. Does anyone know how to handle such files? (coming from http://www.dynalink.com) If it requires special software, would U be willing to open them for me, and send them back zipped? (460kB and 530kB .pdf) Thanks in advance, Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 01:01:57 +1000 From: "Ben Hood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Cannot make $IDX$cnm.idx On Saturday, Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: ] I am amazed that so many of you using the latest DOSs can get Arachne to run ] at all ! I say this because Arachne is a HOG for low memory and it seems very ] difficult to get any reasonable amount of low memory with DOS 6.2. ] I am used to having 670,784 bytes free with my regular system. Wow. I think that just having 600k free RAM is pretty good. ] Initially, with everything possible loaded high (without the help of QEMM) ] I could only get 630,528 bytes free which was apparantly not enough for ] Arachne 1.60b1 because inbox.dgi would give me the "cannot make $IDX$cnm.idx" ] message. My altM popup said I had 127 [+] DOS kb. I have 626,624 bytes free and I can always view mail. But then I don't use insight to handle all my mail at once - usually only a couple at a time; but once I did press "I" when I'd downloaded about 40 messages, no problems. And I still do things like file:///c:/inet/mail/araclist/*.mes and have like 300+ messages there. And I haven't even touched the MIME.CFG yet; using the default one with 1.6b1. ] For those of you with a similar problem, I got more free memory by setting my ] stacks to 0,0 in config.sys. This gave me 633,552 bytes free and Arachne then ] was able to run Insight and make the index. I now have 130 [+] DOS kb. I have 124[+] free. ] If anyone has more than 633,552 bytes free with DOS 6+, would you please share ] the tricks with the rest of us ? <G> ] I know I can get more with QEMM, but what can HIMEM.sys users do ? I am running MS-DOS 6.22... There would probably be benefits using DR-DOS (which I use in other computers I own) but "If it ain't broke, why fix it?" [I can immediately see I could remove POWER and IFSHLP since I haven't started windows on this machine for weeks...but I don't care; its all in the UMBs] - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Modules using memory below 1 MB: Name Total = Conventional + Upper Memory -------- ---------------- ---------------- ---------------- MSDOS 18,877 (18K) 18,877 (18K) 0 (0K) HIMEM 1,168 (1K) 1,168 (1K) 0 (0K) EMM386 4,144 (4K) 4,144 (4K) 0 (0K) COMMAND 4,272 (4K) 4,272 (4K) 0 (0K) CTMOUSE 6,464 (6K) 0 (0K) 6,464 (6K) ANSI 4,208 (4K) 0 (0K) 4,208 (4K) POWER 4,640 (5K) 0 (0K) 4,640 (5K) IFSHLP 3,936 (4K) 0 (0K) 3,936 (4K) SMARTDRV 26,720 (26K) 0 (0K) 26,720 (26K) SHARE 16,944 (17K) 0 (0K) 16,944 (17K) DOSKEY 4,144 (4K) 0 (0K) 4,144 (4K) EPPPD 70,160 (69K) 0 (0K) 70,160 (69K) Free 680,736 (665K) 626,624 (612K) 54,112 (53K) Memory Summary: Type of Memory Total = Used + Free ---------------- ---------- ---------- ---------- Conventional 655,360 28,736 626,624 Upper 191,328 137,216 54,112 Reserved 393,216 393,216 0 Extended (XMS) 2,954,400 746,656 2,207,744 ---------------- ---------- ---------- ---------- Total memory 4,194,304 1,305,824 2,888,480 Total under 1 MB 846,688 165,952 680,736 Largest executable program size 626,528 (612K) Largest free upper memory block 33,120 (32K) MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- AFAIK you can't get much more conventional memory free without using the likes of QEMM. But I've been using Arachne (1.5src and now 1.6b1) for quite a while now like this, and had few problems. [BTW That Reserved section is mostly PCMCIA stuff, which If I don't reserve even a DOS prompt by itself can hang the system] - -- | .~. | Hoody has the hots for whats in the box with the dots! | /V\ | http://hoody.virtualave.net updated 14 Jan 2000 | // \\ | http://hoody.penguinpowered.com when I'm online | /( )\ | ICQ: five oh one seven five one seven oh | ^`~'^ | Carpe Aptenodytes! Does mouse support mean the program has a tiny athletic protector? | C607EUW | "We apologise for the inconvenience" ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #982 *****************************
