arachne-digest Saturday, February 19 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1004
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:45:41 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble with TELNET
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:05:57 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
wrote:
> Hi
> "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> SH> Works with Arachne
>>> Arachne does NOT support IMAP (yet) !!
> SH> ---------->>> Oh yes she does, see appended message below.
> Arachne does NOT support IMAP !!!!
> And here is the answer .... (already contained in my 1. mail !)
>>> OK I had a look ... they offer IMAP, POP and Autheticated SMTP.
> ^^^
>>> It would be interesting if SMTP works with Arachne ...
>>> (Arachne can't authenticate IMHO)
>>> SH> The really nice thing about the service is that you can use
>>> SH> Arachne.
>>> SHouldn't _ALL_ POP and SMTP servers work with arachne ???
> SH> Gentlemen:
> SH> For those of you who are not yet believers, I submit proof that
> SH> Arachne does support IMAP. The message appended below was retrieved
> SH> by my Arachne from "pop.telebot.net", an IMAP server.
> That's only part of the truth ...
> It is a IMAP _AND_ POP server.
> Arachne uses the POP part to retrieve EMails !!! (and NOT IMAP !!!!)
> So here's a breif explanation:
> IMAP4 protocol to get mails. (currently not supported ba Arachne)
> POP3 protocol to get mails. (supported by arachne)
> SMTP protocol to send mails. (supported by arachne)
> authenticated SMTP protocol to send mails. (IMHO not supported by arachne
> .... I haven't seen any username/password field for SMTP)
> So I hope this clears up things.
> It would be interesting, if it is possible to SEND Mails through
> telebot.net !!
username/password field not needed for SMTP. I can connect to Telebot both
for sending and receiving emails. Whether I connect for sending or
receiving, all the messages will be relayed through my own ISP's mail
servers, and this information will be found in the headers. The same
applies for emails with www.subdimension.com. Please let me know if you
would like to receive privately some test messages for your examination.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:56:29 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Trouble with TELNET
Hi
"Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does the line in your arachne.cfg (the one you used to do IMAP),
>> say something like "pop.telebot.net" ???
SH> Yes, it does. In order to download mail from the Telebot POP3 server,
SH> I merely changed my mail settings for my Arachne. Isn't that what
SH> IMAP is all about.....making a provision for using an alternative POP3
SH> server?
IMAP is a completely different protocol than POP3 !!
It has nothing to do with pop, except that they do the same. (eg download
mail, but IMAP gives you MUCH more choice.)
WIth IMAP you can manage your Mail ON THE SERVER.
You have the possibility to get only the mail headers, you can make folders
ON THE SERVER .......
SH> According to instructions appearing on web-sites offering IMAP, one is
SH> just supposed to configure an internet mail client to access the
SH> server operated by the web-site. I haven't seen anything telling me
SH> that I should use a different port number.
You tell the software to use an IMAP server, that implies a special port !!
[...]
>> +OK MailSite POP3 Server 3.4.5.0 Ready
>> You tell me..... Is this an IMAP server? Or is it a POP3 server?<g>
SH> It identifies itself as a POP3 server.
it *_IS_* a POP3 server !!!!
SH> It is my understanding that IMAP is merely an internet protocol or a
SH> feature that allows one to simply configure an email client to access
SH> an alternative POP3 server.
Who told you so ??
Haven't you read my message ... it is an independant protocol, and has
nothing to do with pop3 !
SH> If my concept is entirely incorrect, then please refer me to a source
SH> of information.
I think there is www.imap.org ....
I looked at it, when the university computer got additional IMAP
functionality ...
SH> Thanks,
SH> Sam Heywood
CU, Ricsi
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Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:03:08 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Trouble with TELNET
Hi
"Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
SH> Sorry, I must retract the above statement. I used to be able to SEND
SH> messages through Telebot, but that was at a time when they were still
SH> providing "web-based" email. I cannot send messages through Telebot
SH> with the kind of email service they are currently providing.
This is what I thought ....
Arachne does neither support IMAP nor authenticated SMTP.
It is a shame, that standard SMTP protocol does not require
username/password like POP or IMAP.
If it would, tha SPAM problem would be much smaller, and there wouldn't be
need for ORBS.
SH> Sam Heywood
CU, Ricsi
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Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:32:17 -0500
From: Mark David Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble with TELNET
Any one know where I can find a IMAP program?
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Bernie wrote:
| Sam Heywood wrote:
| >It identifies itself as a POP3 server. It is my understanding that IMAP
| >is merely an internet protocol or a feature that allows one to simply
| >configure an email client to access an alternative POP3 server. If my
| >concept is entirely incorrect, then please refer me to a source of
| >information.
|
| I'm sorry I don't know where to find any information. A IMAP server
| gives more interactivity with the user than a POP server will. For
| instance when you connect to a POP server (and not via Telnet) you
| can not choose which mails you want to delete, IMAP gives this
| ability to you. A typical IMAP aware program would show you some of
| the header information (as you already see in InSight) and then when
| you click on a link it will download that mail from the server and
| show it to you (as opposed to make a html file from the already
| downloaded mail). AFAIK very few IMAP servers and programs exist,
| and adding it to Arachne should be a very low priority project - but
| that's only IMHO of course. //Bernie http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS
| programs, Star Wars ...
Sam, Bernie, it is easy to get more information: http://www.imap.org
Regards
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Gregor J Jones mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boston MA
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:01:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Gregor J Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble with TELNET
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Mark David Roth wrote:
| Any one know where I can find a IMAP program?
|
|
| Sam, Bernie, it is easy to get more information: http://www.imap.org
|
Well, if you follow that link to here:
http://www.imap.org/products/longlist.htm
there is a long list <g>. Very long...
Regards
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Gregor J Jones mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boston MA
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:18:36 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne load error
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:34:32 -0800, Gregory J. Feig wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:08:06 -0500, Roger Turk wrote:
>> *Without* buying a 2nd license for the MS-DOS 6.22??? NAAHH! I wouldn't
>> think of it!
> Roger .......but you could ALWAYS go to
> http://www.lineo.com/
> and download their nice new DRDOS 7.03........<vbg>
And if you'de rather not "search" for it on their site....
- -----repost of old message---
Here's (just about) anything you could need in the way of
previous OpenDos/DrDos stuff.
http://www.lineo.com/support/archive/drdos/drdos.html
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:03:49 -0500, Francwa Sims wrote:
> Excuse me,
> I am having trouble finding OpenDOS? Caldera does not have it.
> Caldera UK does not have it. Where can I find OpenDOS?
> -Thank You
- ---end repost---
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Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:19:28 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Trouble with TELNET
Hi
Mark David Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MR> Any one know where I can find a IMAP program?
As I already wrote PINE for DOS is a GREAT IMAP-Mail and News programm !!
(programmed by washington university, but I don't have the URL here)
CU, Ricsi
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Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:02:51 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne load error
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:06:23 -0800, Steve Evans wrote:
> I do think it's time I try to uncompress the drive and re-install Arachne.
> However, the 386 machine's drive is NOT compressed, and I have the same
> troubles on that.
I don't think you have a "hardware" problem.
If my assumption is correct,
The problem you have here is that Arachne does not seem to be _properly_
communicating with the DNS at compuserve.
(that's what causes the "Arachne load Error" when trying to access pages
which are in fact "up and running")
Try accessing http://www.cisnet.com/
If you get "Arachne load Error", try http://204.179.144.3/ (cisnet's IP #)
If you _can_ get directly to the IP...1
Then the problem _is_ Arachne/DNS related.
BTW, I found the IP number using the DOS version of "Trace Route".
So, you _don't_ need an NT or Unix machine to do it.<g>
Here's the IP numbers of a few more sites found by Trace Route:
http://www.metacraler.com/ is http://206.253.217.38/
http://www.yahoo.com/ is http://216.32.74.50/
and the dreaded http://www.microsoft.com/ is http://207.46.131.137/
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Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:17:05 -0400
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Finally, Thanks All
Brian,
Do you specialize in contradictions??
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:17:22 -0600, BRIAN RENFROW wrote:
<snip>
> I now have a fully operational computer complete with WIN98.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I am going to download Arachne onto it tommorrow.
Hope that by then you simply had DOS 7.whatever so Arachne didn't get
lost. <G>
l.d.
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:39:19 -0400
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble with TELNET
Port 110 is always POP3.
And I think I saw somewhere the rules for changing the port requested
...
l.d.
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:10:36 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
>> This a screen capture of Telneting to pop.telebot.net 110
>> (arachne can only use port number 110)
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:42:47 -0400
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cache as cache can
Terri,
Actually many of us clear the cache frequently; it can speed up things
on the web if there are fewer items in index list to sort through and
keep track of. And to use certain "updating" pages based upon one type
of javascript or another, it's sometimes easiest to clear cache with F8
than to do "move graphic to own window & delete" or "move frame to own
window & delete" type stuff.
And I, at least, pay more attention when I'm on the www rather than when
I'm tired from reading/responding to e-mail. <G>
l.d.
====
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:26:18 -0500, Terri FitzSimons wrote:
> L.D. Best <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just a thought for the future. A refinement might be an
> additional message, bell & whistle, on the "Disk Full!" module;
> have Arachne check to see how much space is being taken up by
> trash can, display trash can usage, and give option to empty
> trash can -- then check to see if it can then run with the new
> disk space available.<
> Interesting thought, but why not extend that operation to the
> cache? That is rather more likely to be taking up disk space
> than the trash.
> One really useful feature of Netscape is that it automatically deletes
> files from the cache. Of course, I have no idea how
> difficult that would be to implement with Arachne. But it would be
> really nifty to have the cache monitored automatically.
> Terri FitzSimons
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:33:51
From: Van Voordturen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Trouble with TELNET
>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:26:24 -0500
>From: Mark David Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Trouble with TELNET
>
>>Mark Roth wrote:
>>I finally found out a little bit about TELNET. I wanted to use it to
>>delete some files from my email server. I was able to login OK and it
>>seemed to accept the deletions I wanted to make. But I know I need a
>>successful update to get them to work and I couldn't do it. I tried entring
>>UPDATE and I got back an -err message. When I tried the QUIT command I also
>>got an -err message for that butit did quit and return to Arachne. It did
>>not successfuly delete the messages. What else can I do to get it tpo work?
>>Is there something wrong with the copy of TELNET that I have?
>>
>
>- -Bart replied
>- -You'll have to use the external FTP (ftp.exe) that comes with telnet.apm.
>
>I'll hav eto learn about FTP.EXE. I don't yet know anything about it
>except using ftp:// instead of http:// for transfering files instead of
>downloading pages.
When you shell out of arachne (alt-e) and type FTP at the dos prompt, you
get a similar screen as in telnet.exe. Probably your ISP has some info
about servers on a webpage, from which you should use the ftp-server.
(ftp.xs4all.nl is just an example, it's the server I use myself, but it
requires a login with password, similar to telnet)(there is also a link to
ftp.ook and telnet.ook, on the arachne utilities page, choose "your
applications". You can, of course, add links to .ook to your dialpage.
When you use telnet.exe from the dos prompt, you type alt-a to end server
mode and then the name of a server you want to log in to (mine is
xs4.xs4all.nl). Then you'll be prompted for name and password, and get to
your website.
Telnet.exe does not have support for file transfer commands, nor for
renaming or deleting. FTP.exe does.
>
>- -Probably you'll have to open anather server (like "open ftp.xs4all.nl"
>- -instead of "xs4.xs4all.nl") if you use it manually).
>
>What's xs4.xs4all.nl?
>I started TELNET by pressing the [T] key.
>My server is pop.hotpop.com. When I used TELNET I logged in with the
>command:
>
>telnet> pop.hotpop.com 110
>telnet> user myusername
>telnet> pass mypassword
>Then I entered the delete comands for the messages starting with:
>telnet> dele 26
>telnet> dele 25
>And so on until I did all of the first 26 messages
>Then I tried to use a command trhat I wasn't sure would work, and it didn't.
>telnet> update
>telnet> -err
>Then I tried a command that really should have worked but it didn't either.
>telnet> quit
>telnet> -err
"dele" in telnet.exe is new to me. Does it work?
I usually logout with exit, not quit, but that's to end a unix shell, not
telnet.exe (that's alt-x, but telnet automatically ends when the connection
is broken)
>
>Then it returned me to Arachne
>
>- -Yet if you use telnet on a unix shell account, try "mc" for a change.
>
>What do you mean? is there a "mc" command for TELNET or FTP and what does
>it do?
>
mc (midnight commander) is a graphic filemanager for unix (it's even in
MonkeyLinux) of which I suppose Norton and Volkov commanders are ports,
clones or at least lookalikes. Mc can be used through telnet for site
maintainance, although it's internal editor (or standard editor) "vi" is
completely obscure to me.
>- -The function keys can be replaced by <escape> with the number key
>- -(<esc><1> instead of <F1>)
>
That's just my experience, I can offer to share. Please don't be angry if
it doesn't apply...
Bart
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:18:15 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cache as cache can
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:26:18 -0500, Terri FitzSimons wrote:
> L.D. Best <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just a thought for the future. A refinement might be an
> additional message, bell & whistle, on the "Disk Full!" module;
> have Arachne check to see how much space is being taken up by
> trash can, display trash can usage, and give option to empty
> trash can -- then check to see if it can then run with the new
> disk space available.<
> Interesting thought, but why not extend that operation to the
> cache? That is rather more likely to be taking up disk space
> than the trash.
> One really useful feature of Netscape is that it automatically deletes
> files from the cache. Of course, I have no idea how
> difficult that would be to implement with Arachne. But it would be
> really nifty to have the cache monitored automatically.
> Terri FitzSimons
Arachne _already_ does it.
Press the letter O on your keyboard, link to "Local settings".
About 1/2 way down the page are the "Cache settings".
The letter K is a good one to keep in mind also.<g>
BTW, Another nice little "trick"...
In autoexec.bat have this line,
set temp=the same directory that you use for arachne's cache
Now when you press F8 to empty the cache, will also empty the temp dir.
- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:39:22 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Finally, Thanks All
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:08:32 -0800, Clarence Verge wrote:
> BRIAN RENFROW wrote:
>> Thanks All.
>> I now have a fully
>> operational computer complete with WIN98. I am going to download Arachne
>> onto it tommorrow. Thanks all for you help.
> Oh Gawd;
> We lost him down the win tunnel.
Let's not judge the man _too_ harshly.
He just _might_ wise-up and perform..... deltree /y \windows <vbg>
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Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:20:21 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble with TELNET
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:56:29 +0100 (CET), Richard Menedetter wrote:
<snip>
> SH> It is my understanding that IMAP is merely an internet protocol or a
> SH> feature that allows one to simply configure an email client to access
> SH> an alternative POP3 server.
> Who told you so ??
This is what I inferred from reading about email services provided by
Telebot and Subdimension, only they call it an IMAP server. I can enter
the name of the IMAP server in the setup item for the POP3 server and it
works. That's how I got the idea that IMAP and POP3 are very much the
same. I now realize now that this was a misunderstanding. IMAP can do
things like POP3, but also it also offers many extended capabilities, such
as allowing the user to manipulate the mail and examine headers while it is
still on the server. That's cool. I would like to be able to do this.
Does anyone know of a DOS email client that will let you do this?
> Haven't you read my message ... it is an independant protocol, and has
> nothing to do with pop3 !
I remember several weeks ago reading a message someone posted in which
he stated that IMAP is an internet protocol. It did not immediately
become clear to me at the time that this protocol is very different from
the POP3 protocol. I now understand the difference, and would like to
actually use all the features that IMAP has to offer.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 05:37:17 +0300
From: "Sergei Kramar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne load error
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:02:51 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:06:23 -0800, Steve Evans wrote:
>> I do think it's time I try to uncompress the drive and re-install Arachne.
>> However, the 386 machine's drive is NOT compressed, and I have the same
>> troubles on that.
> I don't think you have a "hardware" problem.
> If my assumption is correct,
> The problem you have here is that Arachne does not seem to be _properly_
> communicating with the DNS at compuserve.
Excelently, Glenn! You hit on the head. But what is the reason of so bad
DNS negotiations?
> BTW, I found the IP number using the DOS version of "Trace Route".
> So, you _don't_ need an NT or Unix machine to do it.<g>
OK, I didn't know there is DOS version of Trace Route. It is usefull
program but we need something different, namely, NSLOOKUP that gives much
more full DNS information.
Steve,
if your start page on Compuserve has the base name www.compuserve.com or
www6.compuserve.com they both have the same IP address 149.174.144.32
For Freewwweb the situation is different a little - there are two IP
216.70.93.172 and 216.70.93.139 for the single name www.freewwweb.com.
Set NameServer and AltNameServer in arachne.cfg to 0.0.0.0, set Gateway
and AltGateway to 0.0.0.0, set Netmask to 0.0.0.0, set UseProxy No and
set ; at first pos. of Homepage string (disable homepage). It would be
better to make these settings in .cfg file directly by Norton Ed. or the
other similar editor not by Wizard. Start Arachne and dialing. After
successful connection and loading packet driver Arachne will try to load
home.arachne.cz, stop this loading by X button (X-I logo would be
blank). Now type in URL field http://149.174.144.32 for Compuserve or
one of two other IPs for Freewwweb. Report the results. We'll be
thinking about next steps.
Sergei.
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:00:24 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble with TELNET
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:01:54 -0500 (EST), Gregor J Jones wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Mark David Roth wrote:
> | Any one know where I can find a IMAP program?
> |
> |
> | Sam, Bernie, it is easy to get more information: http://www.imap.org
> |
> Well, if you follow that link to here:
> http://www.imap.org/products/longlist.htm
> there is a long list <g>. Very long...
Yes, Very Long List Indeed.... over 300kb
I just searched the entire list.
One and only one program is listed for DOS.
ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu:21/pine/pcpine/pm421w32.zip
That's right... PC-Pine is it. Nothing else will do IMAP in DOS.
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Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:25:11 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne load error
On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 05:37:17 +0300, Sergei Kramar wrote:
>> BTW, I found the IP number using the DOS version of "Trace Route".
>> So, you _don't_ need an NT or Unix machine to do it.<g>
> OK, I didn't know there is DOS version of Trace Route. It is usefull
> program but we need something different, namely, NSLOOKUP that gives much
> more full DNS information.
BTW, there is a DOS version of "Trace Route" available as a free download
from the VE3LGS page, John Lewis' website, http://members.kingston.net/lewis
I don't know if this particular version is the same one being discussed
above.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:28:19 -0500
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne load error
Sergei,
Getting on the web thru Compuserve is rather convoluted and that is why I
want Steve Evans to post his ARACHNE.CFG. If you log onto Compuserve, you
*can't* get on the web, but you can FTP, Telnet, etc., except *browse* the
www. The exception is, I think, using Compuserve's proprietary software, you
can browse the web.
To get on the web thru Compuserve, you have to use Compuserve as a gateway
much as you enter a house thru a door. You are either outside the house, or
after you pass thru the door, you are inside the house, but if you linger in
the doorway, you are neither inside the house nor outside the house. Such is
the way it is with Compuserve.
As can be seen by the header on this post, I am using Compuserve to send
this e-mail. I also use Arachne thru the Compuserve gateway and have no
problem. I also do not use the proprietary software.
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona USA
Sergei Kramar wrote:
>>Steve,
if your start page on Compuserve has the base name www.compuserve.com or
www6.compuserve.com they both have the same IP address 149.174.144.32
For Freewwweb the situation is different a little - there are two IP
216.70.93.172 and 216.70.93.139 for the single name www.freewwweb.com.
Set NameServer and AltNameServer in arachne.cfg to 0.0.0.0, set Gateway
and AltGateway to 0.0.0.0, set Netmask to 0.0.0.0, set UseProxy No and
set ; at first pos. of Homepage string (disable homepage). ...<<
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:38:18 -0600
From: "BRIAN RENFROW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Thanks
I really do appreciate all the support that all of you offered. Despite the
fact that I brought a computer back from the junk pile for the first time.
You still insist on berating me for using Windows. Thanks to all who
commented on the that fact.
Brian D. Renfrow
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:09:04 +0000
From: "Michael L. Dawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne load error
Steve Evans wrote:
>It appears that most success is on 586-class
machines with lots more RAM. Anybody got 386 and 486 machines with 1 to 8
megs of RAM working satisfactory with Arachne (any version)?
Steve,
Let me see, here are the 486's around here with successful Arachne
installations: All had working 1.50 s.r.c. then all were upgraded
to 1.60b1:
l. Toshiba T1910CS Laptop, 486SX-33, 20MB RAM 200MB HDD
2. IBM PS/2 486SX-33 8MB RAM 270 MB HDD. Can upgrade to
Evergreen 586 when I get $. Can't find RAM anywhere.
3. Tandy 486DX-50 with 8 MB RAM, 120MB HDD.
My IBM PS/1 with 486SX-33 8 MB ram 130MB HDD worked with
Arachne 1.60b1, but is now upgraded to Evergreen 586, 32MB RAM
and 270MB HDD. Runs Arachne 1.60b1 wonderfully, as you can
imagine.
4. Compudyne with AMD DX4-100 16MB ram, 2 gig HDD runs
Arachne 1.60b1 using boot disk, and has WIN 98 on it
so I can try out the free ISP's, compile a list of
WIN 98 complaints to toss around at the office, etc.
It's not a 486, but it's slower than a Pentium 75.
5. Compaq Deskpro 575, Pentium 75, 1 Gig HDD, 24 MB RAM.
Runs my Netdial 1.3 - Arachne 1.60b1 setup
All machines boot up into a menu, allowing me to choose
between Arachne, Win 31 (with lots of win browsers and email
programs),Bobcat, Scandisk, Defrag, DOS Prompt. All are called,
so the menu returns after each, except for the Prompt.
The Compudyne has a sound card, SB16, and has WIN 98 and DOS
sound, Arachne can play midi's also, using play.exe. The DOS
menu setup on the Compudyne has sound added, so all actions
are preceded by entertaining (to me, anyway) short .wav files.
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I have been able to get Arachne to run on every machine I
own, thanks to the help I have obtained on this list. Once
a successful setup pattern has been established, with
arachne.cfg, and .acf files for each machine, then it's
easy. Most upgrades took only a few minutes from 1.50 to
1.60b1.
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Can't wait till b2!<g>
Thanks,
Michael L. Dawley
Pearl, Mississippi
- -- Compudyne 486DX4-100 --
DOS 6.22, WIN 98, Arachne 1.60
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:04:39 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble with TELNET
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:00:24 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:01:54 -0500 (EST), Gregor J Jones wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Mark David Roth wrote:
>> | Any one know where I can find a IMAP program?
>> |
>> |
>> | Sam, Bernie, it is easy to get more information: http://www.imap.org
>> |
>> Well, if you follow that link to here:
>> http://www.imap.org/products/longlist.htm
>> there is a long list <g>. Very long...
> Yes, Very Long List Indeed.... over 300kb
> I just searched the entire list.
> One and only one program is listed for DOS.
> ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu:21/pine/pcpine/pm421w32.zip
> That's right... PC-Pine is it. Nothing else will do IMAP in DOS.
If this program was indeed listed for DOS, then you are getting a bum
steer. This is Windoze Bloatware, 1,888,010 bytes. It is PC-Pine version
4.21, dated November 1999. I excerpt the following quote from
INSTALL.TXT, one of the files contained within the archive:
"Note that as of version 4.00, PC-Pine is only available for Windows95,
Windows98 and Windows-NT."
Before I downloaded it, I did have some suspicion that it might turn out
to be just a Windoze program. I noted that in the file name we find the
the characters "w32".
Does anyone know where we can get a compatible version of Pine?
Sam Heywood
- -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client
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