arachne-digest Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1022
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:15:23 +0100
From: "Rebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troubles with military service
From: "Michael Polak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> It is possible that I will have some troubles with military service
> in my country. I hope I will manage 1.60 stable release before they "got
> me". I also hope to avoid this trouble either for health reasons or
> to serve "alternative service", not in army, but it may have negative
> effect on amount of time I can spend improving Arachne :-(
> --
> Michael Polak: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
Here in Hungary if you join a sect or splinter group you may say
" my religion doesn't let me to be a soldier".
So join a sect or a splinter group; you don't have to belive in them, just
join them.
Rebel
Programozasi segedletek, hardware-software ismertetok:
http://thot.banki.hu/doksi
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:55:16 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troubles with military service
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:04:59 +0100, Michael Polak wrote:
> It is possible that I will have some troubles with military service
> in my country. I hope I will manage 1.60 stable release before they "got
> me". I also hope to avoid this trouble either for health reasons or
> to serve "alternative service", not in army, but it may have negative
> effect on amount of time I can spend improving Arachne :-(
> I think that compulsory military service should be outlawed in all
> countries worldwide. I am absolutely _not interested_ in serving in any
> army of any country in the world, but Czech laws give me very little choice,
> and "alternative service" is kind of punishment for people who refuse
> to go to the army anyway.
> Do you think Internet can help to achieve this goal ?
> --
> Michael Polak: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Arachne Labs: http://arachne.cz/
> My mobile phone - up to 160 characters: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Michael:
It is a great honor and a privilege for a citizen to be selected to serve in
the forces that guard one's country and protect her ideals of freedom and
liberty. It is most shameful and selfish for one to love his career and his
academic pursuits more than he would love his own country. You can search
everywhere on the net and you will never find a freeware version of Liberty
that is certifiable as authentic. Beware. None of the counterfeit versions
are functional, and they are all virus-infested. As for the Genuine
Authorized Edition, The Author of the Copyright will most happily issue
the Unlimited Usage License to anyone who regrets very much that he has but
one life to give for it. The asking price is so nominal that virtually
everyone with a dedicated heart may easily afford to buy it. Apply for your
very own personalized copy today. Sign up and register!
The setup options will allow you to easily configure your program either
for civilian use as well as for armed forces use, or even for both.
Make sure that you order the version that is compatible with your operating
system.
Sam Heywood
- -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:55:16 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troubles with military service
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:04:59 +0100, Michael Polak wrote:
> It is possible that I will have some troubles with military service
> in my country. I hope I will manage 1.60 stable release before they "got
> me". I also hope to avoid this trouble either for health reasons or
> to serve "alternative service", not in army, but it may have negative
> effect on amount of time I can spend improving Arachne :-(
> I think that compulsory military service should be outlawed in all
> countries worldwide. I am absolutely _not interested_ in serving in any
> army of any country in the world, but Czech laws give me very little choice,
> and "alternative service" is kind of punishment for people who refuse
> to go to the army anyway.
> Do you think Internet can help to achieve this goal ?
> --
> Michael Polak: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Arachne Labs: http://arachne.cz/
> My mobile phone - up to 160 characters: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Michael:
It is a great honor and a privilege for a citizen to be selected to serve in
the forces that guard one's country and protect her ideals of freedom and
liberty. It is most shameful and selfish for one to love his career and his
academic pursuits more than he would love his own country. You can search
everywhere on the net and you will never find a freeware version of Liberty
that is certifiable as authentic. Beware. None of the counterfeit versions
are functional, and they are all virus-infested. As for the Genuine
Authorized Edition, The Author of the Copyright will most happily issue
the Unlimited Usage License to anyone who regrets very much that he has but
one life to give for it. The asking price is so nominal that virtually
everyone with a dedicated heart may easily afford to buy it. Apply for your
very own personalized copy today. Sign up and register!
The setup options will allow you to easily configure your program either
for civilian use as well as for armed forces use, or even for both.
Make sure that you order the version that is compatible with your operating
system.
Sam Heywood
- -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:15:23 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cache size
l.d wrote:
> **** Warning ****
> *** If not interested in this thread... Delete this message NOW !!! ****
>
>Glenn & Bernie are WRONG!
Ok, let's see your proof.
>When I dug through Glenn's message, and finally figured out what he was
>doing, I did something very simple. I went to the cache and did a DIR
>at the prompt. Seeing that the proof of what I say was there, I then
>did DIR>cache.txt
Great :)
>That directory listing of CACHE is appended hereto. You will note that
>it has in excess of 400 files. You should also know that I sure as heck
>wouldn't cheat in any way to prove this simple a point.
I for one wouldn't think anyone would do such a thing. I always tell the
truth (on list anyway) and can only assume everyone else does as well.
I'll quote myself:
>I'm sorry but when I've used Arachne the limit has been 256 items in the
>cache directory. You'll need to double that value for the .htp files as well.
Obviously I hit 'p' instead of 't' (I can't blaim the keyboard for that now
can I <g>).
It should be:
You'll need to double that value for the .htt files as well.
(still not 100% true, but almost - JPG files will change it)
And you (L.D) wrote this as answer:
>Be honest. Have you ever gone outside Arachne, and counted the
>entries in Cache directory?
I don't think I ever responded directly to this.
There are three things I never do:
1. Hit/kick someone that is on the ground
2. Hurt a woman/someone that's younger
3. Lie (except small white ones of course <g>)
Please don't assume otherwise.
(The first two are there since some people that have heard rumours about me
from when I was a kid probably would assume I would do so - and I've never
broken either of them).
(As an even more side note, I never cheat).
Anyway, the 441 files consist of:
directories (. and ..) 2
output file (CACHE.TXT) 1
HTT 215
HTM 18
GIF 166
TXT 7
BMP 14
JPG 17
TMP 1
total 441
So, the actual things that are in your cache are:
HTM 18
GIF 166
TXT 7
BMP 14
TMP 1
total 206
And 205 is less than 256.
As you also can see 3 (17 JPG - 14 BMP) of the BMP files have been removed
from the cache.
(You have also viewed an enourmous ammount if images IMHO)
6 of the HTT files are not usefull anymore (and the 3 that have JPGs but no
BMP file to match), I wonder why they are still there.
I'm sorry L.D but your proof isn't usable for your case - it's only usable
for mine and Glenns.
Now if we only had a judge that could say "Case dismissed!" ;)
BTW: To count the number of files you have I did like this:
find "HTM" cache.txt>file.txt
edit file.txt
Removed the two top lines, went to the end of document, read what it says
on current line.
BTW2: I wonder what would happen if you download a .htt file from the net...?
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:15:24 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: O.T. - NS Timestamps
Clarence wrote:
>Sorry about the REALLY OT post, but I would like to know if some
>users of NS 3.0x would do me the favor of looking in their Netscape.ini
>file to see if there is ANYTHING that looks like it might specify the
>users' Timezone.
Sorry, nothing here (3.04G)
>I've got the feeling that that parameter must be missing from my .ini
>and I haven't had any luck just sticking something likely into it. :-((
Perhaps it's taken from inside Windows? (Lacking control.exe I don't know
if that's information is stored in 3.x).
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:23:04 +0100 (CET)
From: Michael Polak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troubles with military service
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
> Hello Michael:
>
> It is a great honor and a privilege for a citizen to be selected to serve in
> the forces that guard one's country and protect her ideals of freedom and
> liberty. It is most shameful and selfish for one to love his career and his
> academic pursuits more than he would love his own country. You can search
I don't share this opinion, and I think I can I quite like my country,
which I think I have proved by not moving to some other countries, where
various companies were offering me well paid jobs, either temporary or
permanent. By simple fact that I decided to stay here in Prague, I helped
my country a lot, because I convert my income from USD to local currency
and support local economy in many ways.
I don't believe that conscription-based army can help ideals like
democracy of freedom. It is true, that many battles on side of democracy
were won by conscription-based armies, but look at armies of totalitarian
or military countries during recent two centuries: ALL of them were
conscription based !!! Drafted Czech men in Austrian army were fighting
Czech volunteers ("Legions") who were supporting Western nations in World
War I. I have absolutely no illusions of role of conscription in history,
and most Western European politicians too: most EU countries already
abolished conscription. In my country they are planning it too, but
parliament is proceeding way too slow :-(
And I really don't share your definition of "honor and privilege". Yes,
maybe I would decide to defend my country of choice as volunteer, but
definitely it won't increase my love to certain country if I am FORCED to
defend it. Now way.
> everywhere on the net and you will never find a freeware version of Liberty
> that is certifiable as authentic. Beware. None of the counterfeit versions
> are functional, and they are all virus-infested. As for the Genuine
> Authorized Edition, The Author of the Copyright will most happily issue
> the Unlimited Usage License to anyone who regrets very much that he has but
> one life to give for it. The asking price is so nominal that virtually
> everyone with a dedicated heart may easily afford to buy it. Apply for your
> very own personalized copy today. Sign up and register!
In Europe, we have learnt exactly opposite thing, and we have learnt it
the hard way. MOST European nations had conscription based armies, and
MOST of them were fighting each other in very evil ways for centuries.
Today, it is absurd to have classical army, because it is useless againist
up-to date weapons: regular army can be used only to terrorize civilians,
as was proved in Kosovo or Chechnya (but you may name also other wars of
other countries, which happened some time ago..), but soldiers are useless
against high-tech weapons, they are just canonen-fodder.
Additionally, my country is not in war, army and conscripion is just heavy
economical disadvantage for us. And yet again, I would consider
_volunteering_ in army of realy free and democratic country, but 1) they
force me instead of aske me whether I want or don't want 2) I have still
certain doubts about certains laws valid in my country and certain doubts
about our leaders, so I may decide not to volunteers.
Ooops. No choice. Absolutely no choice under communist goverment, very
little choice under democractic (military or civil service).
There are countries, which I consider to be very free, which don't have
conscription, or at least not while they are not in war: UK, Canada, New
Zealand, and just recently, most EU countries.
> The setup options will allow you to easily configure your program either
> for civilian use as well as for armed forces use, or even for both.
>
> Make sure that you order the version that is compatible with your operating
> system.
Arachne is free for non-commercial user, and works even without
registering. Linux is even more free and anarchic and works even better
for people who are patient enough.
- --
http://arachne.cz/ (Arachne Labs: internet - software - linux - mp3)
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:26:26 -0500
From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT W31+NS secret.
Hello All;
Just in case anyone else is still using a W31 NS combination, I have finally
pried loose the secret of the Timestamp.
Netscape expects to find an environment variable TZ.
The format is: Set TZ=[3 Letters for your timezone][2 digits=hrs W of GMT]
If you are EAST of Greenwich, put a - sign in front of the hr difference.
So my TIMESTAMP is now correct for the first time ever ! (With NS that is)
- - Clarence Verge
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:11:43 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cache size
>Are you saying that the book had over 1,000 "chapters" you had to
>download separately? Wow!
No ;)
It was just more convenient to do it this way (totaly some 300 files - .htm
and .gif). After packing it with RAR it could fit on a floppy (as opposed
to download 60M or so of .ps files and printing them :-)
>I just went and checked my cache vs. cache index; cache itself has 469
>files in it. Cache index lists 274 files within 256 entries.
469 files of what extension? If that was all the files then the number
should be divided by two (and you're then under 256).
>IOW, cache can hold more than 256 files ... but unless you know what
>you're looking for you may not be able to find it since index stops
>keeping track at 256 entries [each entry is rather complex and can show
>URL, file name, modified file name, etc].
You mean this (not all that complex IMHO):
struct HTTPrecord
{
char URL[URLSIZE]; // Uniform Resource Locator
int x; // coordinates where the document was last displayed
long y; //
long size; // size in bytes
char knowsize; // logical - size is valid
char mime[STRINGSIZE];// mime type
char locname[80]; // full filename (after conversion to TXT,HTM,GIF,BMP)
char rawname[80]; // full filename (before conversion)
int handle; // file handle
long lastseen; // last seen time
char postflag; // it is result of operation post
} cacheitem;
>If you ever tackle a project like that again, I suggest you save the
>file to a separate drive when given the save option. And after a few
>downloads, while looking at the page you want to continue to access, you
>hit F8 and clear the cache. If you save the files as they are
>downloaded, you don't have to keep the duplicate file in cache.
I could do that, preferly using my acopy.exe so it does it automatic -
pressing Q to download all links on a given page is so convienient. But
since the filenames where LFN I first need a LFN aware (when writing)
program (reading via WWWMAN I already have - still beta however). This
WWWMAN isn't made by me, a friend of mine did it and then his motherboard
stopped working (probably not related <G>) - and there seems to be a
shortage currently of Celeron CPUs (he's buying new CPU and RAM as well).
Is anyone even interested in this WWWMAN version? It currently only works
under W95 - LFNDOS has some problem with it and I haven't tried with
Calderas LFNB3.
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:44:03 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cache size
On Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:30:31 -0400, L.D. Best wrote:
> Glenn & Bernie are WRONG!
Please do not take offence at this,
We are 100% correct.
For a detailed explanation, follow the link listed below.
Since this ended-up as 23,310 bytes, it has been placed on my webpage
instead of sending it to this list.
http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/arcncach.txt
- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:12:38 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric S. Emerson)
Subject: Re: OT W31+NS secret.
Clarence Verge wrote:
>
>Hello All;
>Just in case anyone else is still using a W31 NS combination, I have finally
>pried loose the secret of the Timestamp.
>
>Netscape expects to find an environment variable TZ.
>The format is: Set TZ=[3 Letters for your timezone][2 digits=hrs W of GMT]
>If you are EAST of Greenwich, put a - sign in front of the hr difference.
>
>So my TIMESTAMP is now correct for the first time ever ! (With NS that is)
>
>
>- Clarence Verge
>
Hi Clarence,
When I checked my win.ini for ver 3.11 it looked
like the variable TZ is set by setting listed under [intl].
I'm not sure which one, but one or two look like they apply
to time zone settings. Since I avoid windoze I can't add
anything else.
Eric
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| Ayrx |__\_ Eric S. Emerson
| :~_: ! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:05:40 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: D/Ling an .HTT (was Re: Cache size)
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:15:23 +0100 (MET), Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> BTW2: I wonder what would happen if you download a .htt file from the net...?
I'll upload one to my page to see what happens.
- ---52035686.htt was created when arcn-htt.htt was downloaded---
<TITLE>HTTP header of
http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/arcn-htt.htt</TITLE><PRE>
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:20:32 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3
Last-Modified: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:19:43 GMT
ETag: "41f199-1aa-38bee8ff"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 426
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/plain
</PRE><HR>URL:<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/arcn-htt.htt">
http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/arcn-htt.htt</A><BR>
Local:<A HREF="file:52035686.TXT">\arachne\cache\52035686.TXT</A><HR>
- ---the last 3 lines were broken from the original 1 line for this eMail---
- ---arcn-htt.htt was saved in my cache as 52035686.txt---
<TITLE>HTTP header of http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/index.html</TITLE>
<PRE>
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:12:58 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
</PRE>
<HR>URL:<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/index.html">
http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/index.html</A><BR>
Local:<A HREF="file:52035225.HTM">\arachne\cache\52035225.HTM</A><HR>
- ---the last 3 lines were broken from the original 1 line before uploading---
- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:01:20 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT W31+NS secret.
On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:26:26 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote:
> Hello All;
> Just in case anyone else is still using a W31 NS combination, I have finally
> pried loose the secret of the Timestamp.
> Netscape expects to find an environment variable TZ.
> The format is: Set TZ=[3 Letters for your timezone][2 digits=hrs W of GMT]
> If you are EAST of Greenwich, put a - sign in front of the hr difference.
> So my TIMESTAMP is now correct for the first time ever ! (With NS that is)
Thank you Clarence.
Further proof that Wincrap programs are backwards.
"-" is west of GMT and "+" is east.
I'll now add this "backwards" line to ns2.bat and ns3.bat
set TZ=EST 05
And of coarse I'll need to switch it on Apr 2nd to...
set TZ=EDT 04
- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:49:05 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troubles with military service
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:23:04 +0100 (CET), Michael Polak wrote:
> Arachne is free for non-commercial user, and works even without
> registering. Linux is even more free and anarchic and works even better
> for people who are patient enough.
My 2cents' worth....
I am proud to say that I volunteered and served in the US-Army.
(1978 - 1980)
The key word is "volunteered". I was not forced to join against my wishes.
I thank GOD that no wars broke-out while I was in.
But, I can say that.... "I did my part to keep this country FREE"!!!
Please don't get me wrong. I do not condemn anyone who might choose
not to serve in the military of their particular country.
On the contrary....
That is one of the freedoms which I did my (small) part to protect.
After all is said and done,
The most important freedom we have is......
"The freedom to choose ones' own destiny"
Without it, we have NOTHING.
- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:05:27 +0000
From: "Michael L. Dawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cache size
Glenn,
That was a good idea, putting your work on your website. I thought
about doing that myself, and now that someone<g> has done it, I
might also. Those angelfire popup ads can't be seen by Arachne,
so that's an excellent way to do it.
After all, Angelfire allows a minimum of 30MB space, so why not
use it?
Also, the item can be kept up there quite a while, especially if
it's something that will be needed over and over, for helping
newbys, etc.
Good Idea Glenn!
Thanks,
Michael L. Dawley
Pearl, Mississippi
- ---------------------------------
- -- IBM PS/1 w/Evergreen 586 --
- -- 32 MB RAM, 410MB Quantum HDD--
- -- USR Sportster 14.4 modem --
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:06:41 +0000
From: "Michael L. Dawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cache size
Hello L.D.,Glenn, All:
A while ago I found that I had about 12MB of files in my cache, so
I cleaned it out, but did not make a note of how many files that
was. I didn't notice any performance change with that much in my
cache.
Thanks,
Michael L. Dawley
Pearl, Mississippi
- ---------------------------------
- -- IBM PS/1 w/Evergreen 586 --
- -- 32 MB RAM, 410MB Quantum HDD--
- -- USR Sportster 14.4 modem --
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:31:38 -0600
From: "BRIAN RENFROW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mishap
First, I must apologize for the last email that was sent in. My mother
sometimes uses my computer and she accidently sent in a blank email. Of
course attached to the email was my signature. Sorry if this bothered
anyone. My regrets are with you........LMHO......Sorry
Brian D. Renfrow
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:40:42 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troubles with military service
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:23:04 +0100 (CET), Michael Polak wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
>> Hello Michael:
>> It is a great honor and a privilege for a citizen to be selected to serve in
>> the forces that guard one's country and protect her ideals of freedom and
>> liberty. It is most shameful and selfish for one to love his career and his
>> academic pursuits more than he would love his own country. You can search
> I don't share this opinion, and I think I can I quite like my country,
> which I think I have proved by not moving to some other countries, where
> various companies were offering me well paid jobs, either temporary or
> permanent. By simple fact that I decided to stay here in Prague, I helped
> my country a lot, because I convert my income from USD to local currency
> and support local economy in many ways.
> I don't believe that conscription-based army can help ideals like
> democracy of freedom. It is true, that many battles on side of democracy
> were won by conscription-based armies, but look at armies of totalitarian
> or military countries during recent two centuries: ALL of them were
> conscription based !!! Drafted Czech men in Austrian army were fighting
> Czech volunteers ("Legions") who were supporting Western nations in World
> War I. I have absolutely no illusions of role of conscription in history,
> and most Western European politicians too: most EU countries already
> abolished conscription. In my country they are planning it too, but
> parliament is proceeding way too slow :-(
> And I really don't share your definition of "honor and privilege". Yes,
> maybe I would decide to defend my country of choice as volunteer, but
> definitely it won't increase my love to certain country if I am FORCED to
> defend it. Now way.
>> everywhere on the net and you will never find a freeware version of Liberty
>> that is certifiable as authentic. Beware. None of the counterfeit versions
>> are functional, and they are all virus-infested. As for the Genuine
>> Authorized Edition, The Author of the Copyright will most happily issue
>> the Unlimited Usage License to anyone who regrets very much that he has but
>> one life to give for it. The asking price is so nominal that virtually
>> everyone with a dedicated heart may easily afford to buy it. Apply for your
>> very own personalized copy today. Sign up and register!
> In Europe, we have learnt exactly opposite thing, and we have learnt it
> the hard way. MOST European nations had conscription based armies, and
> MOST of them were fighting each other in very evil ways for centuries.
> Today, it is absurd to have classical army, because it is useless againist
> up-to date weapons: regular army can be used only to terrorize civilians,
> as was proved in Kosovo or Chechnya (but you may name also other wars of
> other countries, which happened some time ago..), but soldiers are useless
> against high-tech weapons, they are just canonen-fodder.
Soldiers are indeed most useless when they engage by conventional means an
enemy equipped with superior technology and resources. Ethiopian warriors
wielding spears proved most ineffective against an enemy rolling over them
with tanks. Equally futile was the famous Polish cavalry charge attacking
a Panzer division. Rather than to stand one's ground and fight in a
conventional and traditional manner, there are many other options besides
surrender and capitulation. The defenders may conduct guerrilla warfare
campaigns, as did the French patriots in WWII. Another option is to wage
non-violent disobedience movements against the occupying power.
I can very well understand the philosophical objections to the principle
of conscription. Everyone hates to have any kind of obligation forced upon
them by their governments. It would indeed be a far better world if all of
its citizens would willingly agree to offer their services to their
respective countries whenever their governments should have need for them.
The problem is that in many countries there are not enough volunteers. Any
nation that fails to adequately prepare itself to deal with the potential
threat of aggression from the outside or subversion from the inside will
most certainly be taken over by a greedy and evil power. Then follows the
enslavement of the conquered peoples, and their conscription by a
government that is far more corrupt than the vanquished one they declined
to defend.
I see your attitudes as very high minded and idealistic. Your philosophy
provides the right answers for living in an ideal world. Unfortunately,
that is not the kind of world we are living in. I think you should also
very carefully examine and consider some realistic perspectives. I want
you to know that I think that your feelings are quite normal and typical
and just as romantic as expected of a young man of your age. I know, I've
been there.
> Additionally, my country is not in war, army and conscripion is just heavy
> economical disadvantage for us. And yet again, I would consider
> _volunteering_ in army of realy free and democratic country, but 1) they
> force me instead of aske me whether I want or don't want 2) I have still
> certain doubts about certains laws valid in my country and certain doubts
> about our leaders, so I may decide not to volunteers.
> Ooops. No choice. Absolutely no choice under communist goverment, very
> little choice under democractic (military or civil service).
> There are countries, which I consider to be very free, which don't have
> conscription, or at least not while they are not in war: UK, Canada, New
> Zealand, and just recently, most EU countries.
>> The setup options will allow you to easily configure your program either
>> for civilian use as well as for armed forces use, or even for both.
>> Make sure that you order the version that is compatible with your operating
>> system.
> Arachne is free for non-commercial user, and works even without
> registering. Linux is even more free and anarchic and works even better
> for people who are patient enough.
If Linux is like an orderly anarchy, then I can well understand why you are
into it.
All the best,
Sam Heywood
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 2:14:31 +0800
From: J J Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troubles with military service
On 01/03/00 Bernie wrote:
>try and get sick around when they test how good you are physically
>(I'll have to assume they do this). By doing so they can't claim that
>you are deliberatly doing your worst.
In his autobiography "The Moon's a Balloon", the suave English movie actor
David Niven recalls being tested for entry to naval college:
"The first exam was the medical one.
Half a dozen at a time, we were stripped naked and to test our hearts, made
to climb ropes without using our legs; then the usual tapping of knees and
peering into ears, mouths and eyes took place.
Finally, 'get on your marks as though you were going to run a hundred yards'.
Once in position, a large hand grabbed our testicles from the rear.
'Cough!' came the order. One poor little brute thought the man said 'Off!' and
leaped eagerly forward.
He was still being rubbed with ice when I was fully dressed and waiting to
be summoned by the Admirals."
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Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 05:21:11 +0200
From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Troubles with military service
I can understand the problem as this kind of method is used in my
country as
well. I was lucky enough, though, to be enough "problematic" to avoid
joining.
(being extremly light weight, having anti-war views, and going to the
examinations with a Star Trek communicator made of Plastic + explaining
all about it to anyone who didnt want to hear about it really helped
alot.)
I also had an emergency speech, which I had to use in the end, and seems
to have
worked well. (Fact: I didnt join. If I did, I would have still been
there,
having only 2 years until release.). At first I stated that I am not
intrested
to join. Then I gave the "why" speech: "its not because I am not
intrested to
serve my country and defend it of our enemies, it is that I do not fit
both
psicologicly and physicly to army life, thus I will not be able to serve
my
country to the fullest of my capabilities. I would like to repay the
debt
of service by other means, such as civil service, where I would be able
to
serve our country to the fullest.". It made me look so patriotic that it
actually worked. And thanks to other medical issues, I dont need to do
public
service as well. Just keep mentioning 'how much' you would like to serve
your country, and it should work. Ofcourse, it might work the other way
around.. :)
Here's another suggestion. This was seposed to be a joke, but who knows:
A friend of mine adviced me to go to the examinations with my laptop,
and
claim loudly: "I'm not going anywhere without Bobby!".
(btw, to this day the laptop is named Bobby. :)
Or Botton
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