arachne-digest Saturday, March 11 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1033 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:08:07 -0500 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne 1.61 problems Roger Turk wrote: > > Clarence, > > I think that Michael Dawley's tests, if he does them as you suggested, would > clearly show the speed difference between 1.5x and 1.6x. Both of his > computers are running with an 8 MHz motherboard, while if we try to compare > a 486/586 with a Pentium, albeit a 75 MHz Pentium, the motherboard for the > Pentium is going to be faster and give skewed results. > > Clarence Verge wrote: > > >>Now, to complete the experiment, you should put 1.50b2 on the '486 > and test them again. To be fair, 1.50b2 should REPLACE 1.60b1 - not > just be added to the drive. There are a lot of factors which affect > that kind of test. > > I believe the '486 will still win if there really was a LARGE margin > before. Since I found only about a 20% diffference in speed, there > must be some other factor at work here. (IMHO)<< Hi Roger; It is my understanding that Michael ran his initial test with 1.50b2 on a Pentium - probably 75Mhz and 1.60b1 on a 50Mhz '486. Since the Pentium system lost the race I have to assume that it was due to something other than the speed of 1.50b2. Most likely it would be the use of different Arachne.cfg files. Selecting a Pentium.acf doesn't OPTIMIZE Arachne for a Pentium, it slows Arachne down. The Pentium.acf REQUIRES a pentium just to be usable at reasonable speed. Other possible differences like hard disk performance and cacheing can really affect the test results. Please understand that I'm just trying to sort out the facts here. <G> These are a few excerpts from my January posts comparing those different versions on the same hardware and using the same Arachne.cfg: Repost 33Mhz '486 data: All browsers had to retrieve image source files from the hard disk. Times are seconds with accuracy better than 5%. Browser Opera 3.5 Arachne 1.50b2 Arachne 1.60b1 Netscape2.02 Load GIF 73,559 8 4.5 4.0 4.5 170,146 10 4.8 4.3 5.0 231,849 12 5.0 4.4 5.0 306,395 15 6.0 5.5 6.5 Load JPG 185,935 33 26 24.6 19 33,235 16 15 14.5 9 Group two: Timing measurements under 5 Sec were made electronically. Browser Opera 3.5 Arachne 1.50b2 Arachne 1.60b1 Netscape2.02 Reload GIF from CACHE Cartwheel: 6.6 6.1 5.5 6.5 REFRESH DISPLAY Cartwheel: 0.9 6.3 5.5 0.36 GOTO PAGE END Cartwheel: 0.275 6.5 5.5 0.325 RELOAD JPG from CACHE Weather: 1.04 3.8 3.0 0.60 REFRESH DISPLAY Weather: 0.92 3.8 3.5 0.36 GOTO PAGE END Weather: 0.275 3.5 3.0 0.325 And the following is on a 20Mhz '386: The modem is 33600 and was used at that rate at 0700 GMT. Times are seconds. Arachne version: 1.50b2 1.60b1 Connect and LOAD home.arachne.cz 51 Sec 48 Sec RELOAD (CACHED) 22 Sec 17 Sec REFRESH (F9) 9 Sec 7 Sec Page END 6 Sec 6 Sec Connect and LOAD quote.yahoo.com 26 Sec 21 Sec RELOAD (CACHED) 17 Sec 12 Sec As you can see, the difference isn't great enough to allow a 50Mhz computer to beat a 75Mhz one even without the Pentium being involved. Something else is going on. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steven Lawson) Subject: Re: Arachne 1.60 problems (was 1.61) > I believe the '486 will still win if there really was a LARGE margin > before. Since I found only about a 20% diffference in speed, there > must be some other factor at work here. (IMHO) 1.6x should be *alot* faster than prior versions if there is any packet loss between Arachne and the server. One of the changes I made for WATTCP 9911A greatly improved performance in the presence of dropped packets, and Arachne is now using the 9911A release of WATTCP. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:23:52 -0600 From: "larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: command or filename not recognized Every time I switch pages, whether local or online I get the above error in the top left corner. Everything seems to work ok but the message is annoying. Can anyone help? Thanks Larry - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:19:12 -0500 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne 1.60 problems (was 1.61) Steven Lawson wrote: > > 1.6x should be *alot* faster than prior versions if there is any packet > loss between Arachne and the server. One of the changes I made for WATTCP > 9911A greatly improved performance in the presence of dropped packets, and > Arachne is now using the 9911A release of WATTCP. Hello Steven; I guess I'm not suffering from packet loss problems here as there was no real difference that could be ascribed to connection. You will see from the data I just re-posted that the download time difference is mostly equal to the re-load from cache difference. <g> Sorry. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:29:52 -0500 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: command or filename not recognized larry wrote: > > Every time I switch pages, whether local or online I get the above error > in the top left corner. Everything seems to work ok but the message is > annoying. Can anyone help? Hello Larry; Please supply us with a little info. What Arachne version and operating system are you using ? What is the complete path name to the main Arachne directory ? Does your autoexec have a line like Set TEMP=X:\whatever\TEMP and does the directory X:\whatever\TEMP exist ? Please post the section of your Arachne.cfg that specifies pathnames. Welcome to Arachne. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:46:51 -0500 From: "Henry Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #1031 On 10 Mar 00, arachne-digest sent me a message at 5:33, saying, in part, Date sent: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:33:21 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arachne-digest) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: arachne-digest V1 #1031 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:16:51 -0500 > From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Charset in insight > > On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 02:07:56 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote: > > > On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 22:53:59 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > > >> I have just recently entered a change in my Arachne setup so that it is > >> now configured for the character set ISO-1859-1. > > It was configured for ISO-8859-1. Sorry for the typo. > > >> Non-English Spanish language characters follow: > > >> 160 � an accented a, forward accent / > >> 130 � an accented e, forward accent / > >> 161 � an accented i, forward accent / > >> 162 � an accented o, forward accent / > >> 163 � an accented u, forward accent / > >> 164 � an n with a tilde over it > >> 166 � a superscripted a with a line under it > >> 167 � a superscripted o with a line under it > >> 168 � an inverted question mark > >> 173 � an inverted exclamation mark > > >> Do you view these characters as described? > > > Sam, your ORIGINAL post looked OK to me in NS and Arachne but this one > > does not look correct in Arachne. But, as you say, it does look right > > in DOS. However, I have no idea what ISO-1859-1 is supposed to look > > like. Maybe you meant 8859-1 ? Although I wouldn't know what that is > > supposed to look like either. > > Yes, I meant 8859-1. Sorry for the typo. To me, neither my original post > nor this current post looks right to me when viewed with Insight. They > both look good to me when seen from the DOS console. > > > I think we need some graphics with labels (say a .gif) so everyone can > > view the character sets associated with these names the same way. > > I thought about that, but was afraid that someone would complain about the > posting of a graphics file to the mailing list. I think the characters > are adequately described in the text. By speaking of an accented vowel, > "forward accent /" I mean to describe an accent mark going this way (/) > instead of the other way (\). The French language has a lot of accent > marks going the other way. In Spanish, all the accent marks go this way > (/). If someone knows of some proper technical terms by which to describe > various types of accent marks, please tell us about them. > > Sam Heywood > - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet > Client Hi, Sam & others: When an accent mark leans to the right, it is called an acute accent. When the mark leans to the left, it is called a grave accent. When the mark is like ^, it is a circumflex accent. So the Alt-130 character is "e with an acute accent", or for short, "e-acute". Likewise, the Alt-131 character is "e-circumflex", and the Alt-133 character is "a-grave". Of course there are many other marks used in the orthography of other languages, but these are the most common ones in western Europe. HTH. Henry Carmichael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:46:51 -0500 From: "Henry Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #1032 On 10 Mar 00, arachne-digest sent me a message at 21:17, saying, in part, Date sent: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:17:26 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (arachne-digest) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: arachne-digest V1 #1032 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:26:49 +0100 (CET) > From: Michael Polak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #1026 > > On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Vasily Zatsepin wrote: > > > > Well, this is the kind of army I would join without hesitating... > > > Unfortunately, in our country it is very, very different from that. > > > > BTW, both Swiss and Chech were most fearsome (or skillfull?) > > medieval soldiers/warriors. So your preferences have deep roots... > > I think Czech should be now known for extreme dislike to server in > military forces (unless they have very strong motivation, > likel iberatation of their already-occupied country). > Hi, Michael: It seems to me that keeping the bad guys out is preferable to trying to throw them out after they are in. And if you have some sort of existing force to resist an invasion, it might make the bad guys think twice about trying to come in. Henry Carmichael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:01:45 -0600 From: Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: command or filename not recognized On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 05:29:52PM -0500, Clarence Verge wrote: > larry wrote: > > > > Every time I switch pages, whether local or online I get the above error > > in the top left corner. Everything seems to work ok but the message is > > annoying. Can anyone help? > > Hello Larry; > Please supply us with a little info. > > What Arachne version and operating system are you using ? The newest, I believe 1.61. I'm not sure because that machine is at work and I'm home for the weekend. > What is the complete path name to the main Arachne directory ? c:\arachne > Does your autoexec have a line like Set TEMP=X:\whatever\TEMP and does Yes, I made a ram disk and pointed the temp directory to it as suggested in the docs. It works very well. > Please post the section of your Arachne.cfg that specifies pathnames. This gives me the clue and I'll check paths in that file when I get back to work monday morning. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:48:37 +0200 From: Sergie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: In Army value of cosine can reach 4. Nothing to add. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:25:14 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Charset in insight On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:53:15 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote: > Sorry, I must have been unclear in my post suggesting the graphics. > Sams' description was perfectly good - especially since I could see the > characters exactly as described. > What I meant was since I, and probably a lot of others, don't know what > all the different character sets look like and since the names are mostly > meaningless, it would be nice if there was a graphic available somewhere > that showed all of the common sets on one page, each with their label. > This way, neither the generating or viewing device gets in the way of the > discussion. <g> On this page.... http://charts.unicode.org/Normal.html you will find links to many other pages. Such as this one.... http://charts.unicode.org/normal/U0080.html On those pages you will find exactly what you've just described.<g> - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 21:32:10 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne 1.60 problems (was 1.61) On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:22:09 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steven Lawson) wrote: >> I believe the '486 will still win if there really was a LARGE margin >> before. Since I found only about a 20% diffference in speed, there >> must be some other factor at work here. (IMHO) > 1.6x should be *alot* faster than prior versions if there is any packet > loss between Arachne and the server. One of the changes I made for WATTCP > 9911A greatly improved performance in the presence of dropped packets, and > Arachne is now using the 9911A release of WATTCP. Precisely!!! (hit that nail right on the head)<g> Oh yes.... Thank you very much Steven for such EXCELLENT work. So long as programmers like you and Michael are around.... DOS ain't dead !! - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:07:12 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: In Army value of cosine can reach 4. On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:48:37 +0200, Sergie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nothing to add. Thanks.... I needed that. For those who did not understand... you'll need to look it up in an Algebra, geometry or Trig text book.<g> Try this one on for size.<g> me our army | my army \ | / \ | / \|/ us--------*-------them /|\ / | \ / | \ your army | their army | you But, let's not get into quantum physics. (my brain might explode)<vbg> - -- Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed. http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:42:59 +0800 From: J J Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Keystroke recorder Someone wanted a keystroke recorder, to get to the root of glitches caused by family members. I've just now found one -- afraid it's for 16/32-bit Windows -- but get in touch if you want it. Jake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:06:37 +0000 From: "Michael L. Dawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne 1.61 problems Hello Clarence, All: The PS/1 with 1.50b2 on it, that "lost the race" was originally a 25 Mhz 486, and an Evergreen Upgrade was installed, hence the "586". I also had 32 mb of 30-pin ram installed. The Tandy 4850 EP with the 486DX2-50 with 1.60b1, 8MB ram, somehow was able to go from HOME to Desktop much faster, and I couldn't help but notice. Thought something was wrong with the PS/1. Perhaps the motherboard bus speeds are not equal, and this can be important. This really wasn't a fair race, as the machines were not equal. I had the feeling that I ought to move the Evergreen and 32 MB ram over to the Tandy, for those items would be better utilized on the Tandy motherboard. To really complicate matters, I installed an Aptiva HDD in the PS/1, which should have been a little faster than the one in the Tandy. My offhand conclusion was to just install Arachne 1.60b1 in the PS/1, and then I wouldn't be waiting around while the Desktop filled out in 1.50. Could be that the way 1.60b1 draws the screens puts it ahead in that kind of race. Really, my post was intended to show that 1.60b1 (perhaps) can make a "slower" computer keep up with or outrun one that has, in this case, a lot of $ thrown at it to beef it up. (I've since learned not to do that<g>) I've really taken to the PS/1, since I obtained it for $5.00, and from time to time, it's the favorite in the room. I was taken aback when the Tandy showed it up<g>. - -------- One question. Is it possible to install 1.50 in the place of 1.60? (same directory, c:\arachne) Personally I am happy with 1.60, but I have lost 800x600 on two machines going from 1.50 to 1.60 due to differences in the graphics setup between what 1.50 allowed, and what comes with 1.60b1. Both have Tseng ET 4000 video, I believe, and had 800x600 with 1.50, but only 640x480 in 1.60. - ----------- Michael L. Dawley Pearl, Mississippi - ---------- -- Compaq Deskpro 575 -- - -- Using Netdial 1.3 with Arachne 1.60b1 -- - -------------------------------------------- http://www.angelfire.com/ms/telegram/arachne.html - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:42:17 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #1031 On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:46:51 -0500, Henry Carmichael wrote: <snip> > Hi, Sam & others: > When an accent mark leans to the right, it is called an acute accent. > When the mark leans to the left, it is called a grave accent. > When the mark is like ^, it is a circumflex accent. > So the Alt-130 character is "e with an acute accent", or for short, > "e-acute". Likewise, the Alt-131 character is "e-circumflex", and > the Alt-133 character is "a-grave". > Of course there are many other marks used in the orthography of other > languages, but these are the most common ones in western Europe. Thank you very much, Henry. This information will be of great help to all of us. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:24:53 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Charset in insight On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 13:53:15 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote: > Marie Fischer wrote: >> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: >> > I thought about that, but was afraid that someone would complain about >> > the posting of a graphics file to the mailing list. I think the >> > characters are adequately described in the text. >> I think so too > Sorry, I must have been unclear in my post suggesting the graphics. > Sams' description was perfectly good - especially since I could see the > characters exactly as described. > What I meant was since I, and probably a lot of others, don't know what > all the different character sets look like and since the names are mostly > meaningless, it would be nice if there was a graphic available somewhere > that showed all of the common sets on one page, each with their label. > This way, neither the generating or viewing device gets in the way of the > discussion. <g> This sounds like a very good idea, as far as the basic concept goes. I don't know what you should want to use as "labels" for the characters. The problem with labeling the characters with their corresponding ALT + NUM numbers would be confusing to most of us because there is no single standard for such characters. The problem with labeling the characters by the actual names of the characters is that various different cultures use different names for the characters of the alphabet, even when they speak the same language. An English speaking Canadian child does not say his ABC's in the same way as an American child. The different cultures pronounce the names of the characters differently. Another problem is that various kinds of accent marks have different names in different languages. I think it might be more helpful to describe accent marks over vowels by use of symbols such as "/","\","^",and ".." for umlauts, or for any vowel character having two dots over it. What do we call the French language character that looks like a C with a little curly thingy under it? Many of us, myself included, do not even know the names of some characters used in our own respective languages. One list member described a certain character as "the one used to start laws". I think he was referring to a character typically used to signal the beginning of a new paragraph. I don't know the name of it. If anyone knows of a good reference document on the web that provides a listing of all the characters producible by all the various code pages and the names given to these characters in many various languages, please post the URL. That would really help. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 03:40:40 -0500 From: "Clarence Verge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne 1.61 problems On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:06:37 +0000, Michael L. Dawley wrote: > Hello Clarence, All: > The PS/1 with 1.50b2 on it, that "lost the race" was originally > a 25 Mhz 486, and an Evergreen Upgrade was installed, hence the > "586". I also had 32 mb of 30-pin ram installed. Hi Michael; Could you tell us more about this Evergreen Upgrade ? Does it use the original clock from the '486 or does it have it's own ? What clock speed does the bios report on the boot screen ? - Clarence Verge - -- Using Arachne 1.50b2 for a change. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 02:26:28 -0800 From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne 1.61 problems On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:06:37 +0000, Michael L. Dawley wrote: - ---------snip---------- > Really, my post was intended to show that 1.60b1 (perhaps) > can make a "slower" computer keep up with or outrun one that > has, in this case, a lot of $ thrown at it to beef it up. > (I've since learned not to do that<g>) > I've really taken to the PS/1, since I obtained it for $5.00, > and from time to time, it's the favorite in the room. > I was taken aback when the Tandy showed it up<g>. Michael .......my preferred machine is a 486DLC40, with 32Mb RAM, and 160B1 is MUCH faster and performs smoother on it than 150src. .......gregy - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:56:08 +0200 (WET) From: Marie Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne 1.60 problems Hi! So yesterday I phoned home and the good news is - they fixed it (whatever it was). Actually, my little sister did it :) They even mailed me about it, but since the server here was down I didn't get the mess - those last 3 days have been confusing ;-) Thnx again for all your help! - -- marie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:43:21 +0100 (CET) From: Cliff Albert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Some few issues concerning 1.6b1 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. 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Is there a need for a command shell at all? Arachne is normally executed through a batch file. If it is possible to by-pass the batch, the kiosk can launch Arachne at boot-up by simply putting core.exe in the comspec... Or am I just going off my trolley? >Possibly Michael Polak might come up with a custom version of Arachne for such >a purpose. If a University saves a lot of money by setting up old computers as kiosks, maybe some can be ploughed back into customizing Arachne. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:16:03 +0100 (CET) From: "Bagnoli Franco ([EMAIL PROTECTED])" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Hi!/Arachne for kiosks On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Charles Boisvert and Catherine Clinton wrote: > >I have to avoid for instance exiting to dos pressing the esc key, and maybe > >preventing access to the command.com shell. > > Is there a need for a command shell at all? > Arachne is normally executed through a batch file. If it is possible to > by-pass the batch, the kiosk can launch Arachne at boot-up by simply > putting core.exe in the comspec... Or am I just going off my trolley? I'll try it, the problem is loading the packet driver... > > >Possibly Michael Polak might come up with a custom version of Arachne for > such > >a purpose. > > If a University saves a lot of money by setting up old computers as kiosks, > maybe some can be ploughed back into customizing Arachne. Well, the situation is somehow different: the university will never set up so many EXPENSIVE kiosks as would do using old hardware and arachnid. Anyhow, I think that our university could put some money into arachnid, more infos in a few days... Franco Bagnoli Dipartimento di Matematica Applicata "G. Sansone" Universita' di Firenze, Via S. Marta, 3 I-50139 Firenze, Italy tel. +39 0554796422, fax: +39 055471787 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #1033 ******************************
